YouTuber CRS Firearms Indicted for Violating the National Firearms Act

[lazarus]

They went after Phil Luty for publishing designs for home built submachine guns.

Different country though. I am happy to argue the rights people should have everywhere, but the UK doesn't have the same legal structure the US does and UK citizens in the UK do not have the same rights Americans do.

And they went after him for building submachine guns...

I am sure the publishing part was the cherry on top of that cake, but that wasn't all he was charged with.

 

[gtodave]

The nfa is a crock of unconstitutional bs. I’m not surprised the guy is getting charged with nfa related crimes. I would be expecting trouble if I posted that video on YouTube. I would also expect trouble if I posted how to make heroin or how to evade taxes videos.

Expecting trouble for pointing out stupid laws is not the same as being a trouble maker, nor a criminal.

"Not surprised" and "expecting trouble" sound like BGO symptoms.

 

[Johnconlee]

Expecting trouble for pointing out stupid laws is not the same as being a trouble maker, nor a criminal.

"Not surprised" and "expecting trouble" sound like BGO symptoms.

What’s BGO ? Bugaloo Goober Oncall ?

 

[mopar92]

What’s BGO ? Bugaloo Goober Oncall ?

Battered Gun Owner Syndrome

 

[Johnconlee]

Battered Gun Owner Syndrome

Thanks.

 

[KIBarrister]

This whole case is a pile of trash. The youtuber is annoying to the high heavens and reminds me of Fred Durst. Just the same, he broke zero damned laws (nor did the proprietor of the website). The notion that they call it conspiracy for setting up a go fund me for legal defense just... irks my soul. Whatever AUSA wrote that should be fired, and humiliated in town square.

 

[Abagnale]

Phuck the ATF! Period end of story!

 

[Abagnale]

Also I'm just going to note that the indictment looks like it was written by a 2 year old...

 

[Slackdaddy]

Think: Cameltoe Harris and the "Bail Fund"

This whole case is a pile of trash. The youtuber is annoying to the high heavens and reminds me of Fred Durst. Just the same, he broke zero damned laws (nor did the proprietor of the website). The notion that they call it conspiracy for setting up a go fund me for legal defense just... irks my soul. Whatever AUSA wrote that should be fired, and humiliated in town square.

 

[KIBarrister]

Think: Cameltoe Harris and the "Bail Fund"

Big difference between a private citizen, and a public official (or even NGO/501c3).

Literally every last thing in that indictment (except potentially the structuring charge - except that is only a crime if committed in furtherance of another crime/with specific intent) is protected by either the 1st or 2nd amendment - or both.

The fact that Ervin has sat in prison for a year on this pretrial is a miscarriage of the highest order. A can of modge podge, laser printed blueprint, and bit of sheet metal would yield the same result - or a 3D print made to work as a template along with a can of spray paint. This product literally does nothing that isn’t already in the public domain, except make a novelty product as art.

Sure, Ervin knew he was poking the tiger (that’s the entire intent of his product), but our government is not supposed to have the lack of self restraint of a tiger, jealousy lashing out the second a plebe challenges it’s Author-I-tay.

Much as I am not a fan of 2A Fred Durst, that he has been charged as a conspirator for sponsoring a website and setting up a legal defense fund makes my blood boil. I can’t stand the guy (just watch his video on the Serbu 50, he is annoying), but JFC. The judge needs to pimpslap the government; an opinion could properly summarize it by quoting John Goodman (in character) “over the LINE smoky!”

 

[Dave M]

Hmm, How is it a Dem can throw a firearm in a trash can an get away with it and this guy gets this?..

 

[Slackdaddy]

Ugh,, have you not been paying attention the last 2 years??

Hmm, How is it a Dem can throw a firearm in a trash can an get away with it and this guy gets this?..

 

[Crazytrain]

The Auto Key Card case is underway. I think today is day 4.

 

[John from MD]

 

[Crazytrain]

The details are a little slim. From what I've been able to gather from John Crump's youtubes, the ATF so far as spent all their time proving uncontested facts. Not sure why they are bothering. Hoover has made some posts suggesting that he is feeling pretty confident. He should probably keep his mouth shut, though.

Something I thought was really interesting, however, was the money structuring claim. Apparently Ervin had tried to withdraw $50,000 in cash from his bank, but they said they had a limit of $10,000 without advanced notice. He took the ten grand, went to another branch and took out another ten grand. Unintentional structuring. It appears that one of the bank tellers didn't like him and contacted the ATF to report him for selling "machine guns".

 

[RCH]

Not unintentional structuring. Structuring is intentionally keeping the cash transaction under the more then $10,000 daily limit for each transaction to evade the reporting requirements. He asked for $50,000, and bank said they couldn't do it without advance notice (most institutions have that policy), and the cash limit is $10,000. He was trying to work around the unexpected limitation imposed by the bank. I suspect that he later popped up on a end of month Bank Secrecy Act report and a low level bank employee just looked at the two transactions, asked no questions, said "yup, that be structuring" and reported it.

Very different thing if he asked for only 10,000 each time, or asked for $50,000 in cash, found out that a Currency Transaction Report would be filed, and then said give me $10,000- and then went to the next branch. That would be intentional structuring to evade the reporting requirements.

 

[John from MD]

Not unintentional structuring. Structuring is intentionally keeping the cash transaction under the more then $10,000 daily limit for each transaction to evade the reporting requirements. He asked for $50,000, and bank said they couldn't do it without advance notice (most institutions have that policy), and the cash limit is $10,000. He was trying to work around the unexpected limitation imposed by the bank. I suspect that he later popped up on a end of month Bank Secrecy Act report and a low level bank employee just looked at the two transactions, asked no questions, said "yup, that be structuring" and reported it.

Very different thing if he asked for only 10,000 each time, or asked for $50,000 in cash, found out that a Currency Transaction Report would be filed, and then said give me $10,000- and then went to the next branch. That would be intentional structuring to evade the reporting requirements.

I don't know if anything has changed but, in the 70's and 80's, you could get a reward for reporting those kinds of transactions to the Feds if they resulted in a conviction.

 

[Atlasarmory]

2nd amendments plain text. Everything checks out. Case dismissed. Ok should be GTG. Man this legal stuff is easy

 

[Doctor_M]

You will have my vote for Attorney General!

 

[DanGuy48]

Not unintentional structuring. Structuring is intentionally keeping the cash transaction under the more then $10,000 daily limit for each transaction to evade the reporting requirements. He asked for $50,000, and bank said they couldn't do it without advance notice (most institutions have that policy), and the cash limit is $10,000. He was trying to work around the unexpected limitation imposed by the bank. I suspect that he later popped up on a end of month Bank Secrecy Act report and a low level bank employee just looked at the two transactions, asked no questions, said "yup, that be structuring" and reported it.

Very different thing if he asked for only 10,000 each time, or asked for $50,000 in cash, found out that a Currency Transaction Report would be filed, and then said give me $10,000- and then went to the next branch. That would be intentional structuring to evade the reporting requirements.

Structuring laws need to disappear. IMO, the feds are just asking others to throw out nets for something they might catch and instead snag innocents who break the letter of the law with no ill intent. This guy is local to us and I heard him talk at a meeting, describing the pure BS he went through.

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