Winchester Model 69A

[Ponder_MD]

Here's the story:

A friend's father passed away. He inherited a Winchester Model 69A. It is so old as to be unserialized. He has given the rifle to me.
I am storing it in my safe for him until I work out the proper legal method of transfer.

I'm really excited to have this piece. I need a .22 for the Appleseed program at AAF&G. The exact model is the center rifle in this image:

https://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t222/PALADIN85020/GUNS/WIN_69-69_TARGET-69A_zpsr2szbnvd.jpg

The front sight is this globe type of sight. It appears to be a competition model? Any information that can be provided about this piece would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Transfer at FFL , same as any other long gun .

 

[Ponder_MD]

Transfer at FFL , same as any other long gun .

OK. My friend inherited it from his father, who passed away. There is no paperwork about this and the rifle is unserialized. There's no chain of custody, no proof that my friend even legally owns the rifle to transfer it to me.

I'm guessing this isn't a problem? I'm sort of looking at this from a "vehicle title" point of view, which may not be the right way to think about it.

 

[Biggfoot44]

S/N on rifles and shotguns were not required until 1968 .

FFL see them all the time . They record the Make . Model , and Caliber/ gage , and put NSN for the blank for S/N , as per ATF directives and long standing practice .

 

[slsc98]

….Any information that can be provided about this piece would be greatly appreciated.

Collectors’ forums are always good places to start …: https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-22-rim-fire/Model+69A+info/

Try also RimfireCentral.com

Obtaining extra sacrificial parts (I.e., firing pin, extractor, etc.) NOW WHILE YOU CAN FIND THEM is a No-Brainer so …

PARTS: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/winchester/rifles-win/69a-win

PARTS as well as A Manual on the Disassembly of Winchester 69, 69A and 697 bolt .22 rifles, with tips on Gunsmithing and the reassembly process With Color Photographs...: https://homesteadparts.com/shop/winchester-model-69a-c-1_146.html

 

[Ponder_MD]

S/N on rifles and shotguns were not required until 1968 .

FFL see them all the time . They record the Make . Model , and Caliber/ gage , and put NSN for the blank for S/N , as per ATF directives and long standing practice .

Great, thanks very much. The fellow who I'm storing this rifle for lives in Albany, NY. He visits his mother here on a regular basis so I'll make sure to set up something down at Angler's for a transfer.

 

[Ponder_MD]

Obtaining extra sacrificial parts (I.e., firing pin, extractor, etc.) NOW WHILE YOU CAN FIND THEM is a No-Brainer so …

I hadn't even thought of this. Thanks very much and thanks for the resources.

 

[Ponder_MD]

Ok, so I took this Win 69A to the range today.

I've learned that it is the match/competition model with Lyman 57EW rear peep sight and a globe front sight that allows you to unscrew and insert different types of posts and circles inside the globe.

I'm laughing my azz off because I managed to sight it in and hit some bullseyes...before I realized that the sights are missing parts! The flat disc with the tiny peephole is missing (I now see the threads where it screws into the Lyman rear sight assembly) and the front globe is missing any kind of post!

I think I'll be forced to buy an entire 57EW. I don't think the little disc is sold separately anywhere.
I *think* the front sight is also by Lyman and they sell the various posts and doo-dads that screw into the globe. I found their website and I'll need to call them an ask if they still sell these inserts for old products.

If anyone has a lead on this stuff for me, I'd be grateful.

 

[Russ D]

Have you looked around on rimfirecentral.com? They have some detailed posts on those types of rifles and sights.

 

[Ponder_MD]

Hey, @Russ D I just found them. From there, I was able to discover exactly which front globe sight I have, so I ordered the inserts. I also found a guy on eBay selling just the aperture for the Lyman sights, so I'm buying a couple to experiment with. (Different size peep holes)

Thanks!

 

[teratos]

If he gave it to you pre-March 2021, you are just late on the payment.

 

[Russ D]

If he gave it to you pre-March 2021, you are just late on the payment.

My thoughts exactly

 

[2701Jim]

I believe the exact date is 3/13/2021.

 

[Bountied]

Shhh, that's your rifle and has been. You owe him money from a game of cards. That is all.

 

[Ponder_MD]

Shhh, that's your rifle and has been. You owe him money from a game of cards. That is all.

Fair enough. I'll generate a receipt.

 

[babalou]

that is awesome!! I got an older Savage 6A from like the late 30's or early 40's from my biological father a few years back. It is in excellent shape. It shows Utica on the barrel- prior to their move to Conn. Shoots better than I shoot. Tube fed.

 

[TLL]

I just bought a 69a, match model like you have. Mine is complete and in great shape. I'll post a pic or two tomorrow. I have the big brother model 75 also. Sold the bigger brother, an early model 52 a couple months ago.

 

[TLL]

I just bought a 69a, match model like you have. Mine is complete and in great shape. I'll post a pic or two tomorrow. I have the big brother model 75 also. Sold the bigger brother, an early model 52 a couple months ago.

 

[TLL]

Does yours have sling swivels? The bolt handle on the early models are straight and later handles are curved. Hope you find all you need to complete. Really handy rifle.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Hey, @Russ D I just found them. From there, I was able to discover exactly which front globe sight I have, so I ordered the inserts. I also found a guy on eBay selling just the aperture for the Lyman sights, so I'm buying a couple to experiment with. (Different size peep holes)

Thanks!

Merit makes an adjustable iris peep but more important they have a table that lists the thread size for your gun.

VIA for AR-15/A2

Makers of adjustable apertures that allow shooters of all ages to see their sights and target clearly.

www.meritcorporation.com

An adjustable iris is the bees knees because you can infinitely dial the best size for the light conditions.