Why are we putting up with these delays past 7 days?

[casualmadness]

Once you have one regulated firearm, there should be no wait.

Careful now...that sounds an awful lot like logic.

 

[Indiana Jones]

If it was my Constitutional right to eat in that restaurant AND be seated in a timely manner then yes I would puff my chest if that right was being denied.

That is a terrible analogy in the fact that we only have the choice of one 'restaurant' when it comes to regulated firearms background checks. But that is to expected since communism/socialism/etc. basically shun the free market concept.

You called it, im a commie. I guess ill get red in face and start bitching so i can be uncommy. I wish the 60 checks would change but until they hire more civilians (which you guys said they shouldnt) we are all fooked. I want my damn guns im waiting on too. I just realize that tough talk on the internet doesnt translate to proactive action. Not singling you out, just a general statement.

 

[Ab_Normal]

Blame the guys who started this shit storm.

MOM and Obummer, not MSP.

You need to do a little history lesson here. MSP is the one who wanted to take on this job and testified so in the past. The fact that they cannot do the job they asked for is solely their fault.

 

[Ab_Normal]

Once you have one regulated firearm, there should be no wait.

Careful now...that sounds an awful lot like logic.

When Ray Beck was a senator 20+ years ago he proposed this legislation.

It isn't about regulating is is about restricting. PERIOD.

 

[swinokur]

What does that even remotely have to do with the current problem of a staffing shortage due to events no one foresaw and were beyond MSP's control?

I give up.

But keep bitching about it. I'm sure MSP and MOM are listening.

 

[Ab_Normal]

You called it, im a commie. I guess ill get red in face and start bitching so i can be uncommy. I wish the 60 checks would change but until they hire more civilians (which you guys said they shouldnt) we are all fooked. I want my damn guns im waiting on too. I just realize that tough talk on the internet doesnt translate to proactive action. Not singling you out, just a general statement.

I never called you a commie. It is this state that I was referring to. I don't recall anybody saying they should not hire more 'anybody'. On the contrary, I think most people are ok with them hiring whoever is qualified to do the work.

 

[Ab_Normal]

What does that even remotely have to do with the current problem of a staffing shortage due to events no one foresaw and were beyond MSP's control?

I give up.

But keep bitching about it. I'm sure MSP and MOM are listening.

They have 2500 employees. 2500!

If they wanted to they could redirect some of them to take care of this backlog.

It was MSP's lobbying that got them this duty AND the $10 fee to do it. The problem lies squarely on their shoulders for this fiasco because they choose to NOT effectively address the problem in a timely manner.

Your user title "In a State of Denial" is very fitting.

ETA - yes my screen name is fitting too since I choose to not be a part of the go along to get along crowd - especially when it comes to infringing my rights.

 

[HVL]

The MSP should have the process automated. OCR the applications or require them to be typed online, adjudicate them with the Federal and State systems. This would reduce the need for valuable personnel doing a redundant job function. The man hours alone is a complete waste of time. Better yet, I will send them a proposal...

 

[Ab_Normal]

The MSP should have the process automated. OCR the applications or require them to be typed online, adjudicate them with the Federal and State systems. This would reduce the need for valuable personnel doing a redundant job function. The man hours alone is a complete waste of time. Better yet, I will send them a proposal...

Pa is looking at doing away with their PICS system for some of these very reasons.

 

[Merlin]

You had me up to "deal with it". It's the fault of .gov, both State and Federal that this is happening. If they respected the 2A this would not be an issue. The Nation would be having a conversation about mental illness and perhaps school security. Do we have a rational discussion? Nope. We see .gov ban an entire class of firearms that really aren't used in crime. They are, however, the most popular rifles in the nation. Not only that, but .gov talks about banning a bunch of other stuff too. Then they buy billions of rounds of ammo. Hmmmm.

They created this shit storm. A Right delayed is a Right denied.

I'm with you 100%. But you have to pick you battles. We have until October 1st to buy what we want. There is nothing we can do to change the way the MSP are working in that short time frame. All you need is the paperwork in and dated and it will come one day. Also http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=2347955&postcount=382

 

[teratos]

I'm with you 100%. But you have to pick you battles. We have until October 1st to buy what we want. All you need is the paperwork in and dated and it will come one day. Also http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=2347955&postcount=382

I suspect you are going to be seeing a lawsuit filed in response to the wait times. My hair sometimes whispers things to me.

 

[Merlin]

What does that even remotely have to do with the current problem of a staffing shortage due to events no one foresaw and were beyond MSP's control?

I give up.

But keep bitching about it. I'm sure MSP and MOM are listening.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=2347955&postcount=382

I would like your thoughts.

 

[Merlin]

I suspect you are going to be seeing a lawsuit filed in response to the wait times. My hair sometimes whispers things to me.

You maybe right. But it will be very easy for MOM and the MSP gang to look like they are doing their very best to process paperwork. And I think any MD court for the most part will just say, OK, keep trying your best.

It's well known that every agency has money issues that effect man power issues. And even if none of that is true in this case it will be easy for MOM to make it look like it is true. How hard is it to say "we are short handed and just doing our best"? Because gun issues or no gun issues I would be willing to bet the MSP are always understaffed as are the rest of the LEO agency's.

 

[Merlin]

I suspect you are going to be seeing a lawsuit filed in response to the wait times. My hair sometimes whispers things to me.

As far as law suits, Maybe some of these gun shops that have been making money hand over fist could pool some money and get a law suite rolling. I'm sure they could afford it more then the average customer. These slowdowns do harm their businesses because there will be lost business from many people not wanting to deal with the wait.

 

[Merlin]

The MSP should have the process automated. OCR the applications or require them to be typed online, adjudicate them with the Federal and State systems. This would reduce the need for valuable personnel doing a redundant job function. The man hours alone is a complete waste of time. Better yet, I will send them a proposal...

A few months ago the MSP has gone to an on-line app. But remember what state your in. They are not trying to figure out ways to get guns into your hands faster. They will look for ways that makes their job easier, but the motivation is not to get the gun to you faster.

 

[Indiana Jones]

I never called you a commie. It is this state that I was referring to. I don't recall anybody saying they should not hire more 'anybody'. On the contrary, I think most people are ok with them hiring whoever is qualified to do the work.

People shot me down when i said they need to hire civilians. They started bitching about they shouldnt have sensitive information and such. Said police should do it. But wait, what about all the dont trust police threads? Fact: MSP stated they plan to hire 50 civilians to process paperwork. This coming from a Lt in Employment Division. He was very sincere in this. Also, he is PISSED to be waiting 50+ days for his AK paperwork. Bottom line is civilians need to be hired. MSP advised they want to hire people. Whether they will, anyones guess.

 

[Les Gawlik]

To me, the point is that the law has a built in circuit breaker to accommodate this problem. MSP doesn't need to allocate extra resources. It doesn't need bigger buildings or more fax machines. It just needs to follow the intent of the law. If they can't do it, one the seventh day they rest... no, that's a different post. On the seventh day they get an NTN and give it to the dealer, whether they've finished their inquiry or not. As someone alluded to earlier, you can be charged with murder but if you are not offered a trial within 180 days of your arraignment (or whatever), they let...you...go. That 180 days is something the Court of Appeals made up on their own, just for the hell of it. If the system can let a murderer walk of out jail when the state can't follow made-up time limitations, why can't an FFL transfer a regulated weapon in accordance with the letter and the intent of the law?

There is a way to get a court to decide this issue. Maybe we win, maybe we lose. If we lose, at least we all know what the answer is and we can try to get the GA to fix the problem. Until then, these discussions are just so many dancing electrons.

 

[MaxVO2]

A few months ago the MSP has gone to an on-line app. But remember what state your in. They are not trying to figure out ways to get guns into your hands faster. They will look for ways that makes their job easier, but the motivation is not to get the gun to you faster.

+1 on that. The powers that be know they are still obligated to follow the current laws regarding firearm ownership in Maryland but they are not going to do anything to expedite matters to help those looking to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms.

They play the long game and know that SB281 and its intended consequences are only a stepping stone towards a total ban on any firearms up to and including confiscation or limiting their possession to only inside your home and/or place of business so that they can meet the letter of the interpreted "new" meaning of the 2nd amendment.