Whats contradictory is some of the people posting believe in constitutional carry yet also support additional qualification restrictions set by instructors.
THISIn my opinion, the objective is to get people qualified. Police academies and FLETC have 60, 80, 100 hours or so to work with recruits prior to attempting to qualify. Trainers have 16 hours to get them to pass just one aspect of the course, the qualification. There’s so much more that goes into a Wear & Carry course than just that. The .22 provides an economical way to meet the objective, so it makes good business sense as well. Once the student is qualified to carry, the responsible thing to do would be to go and get plenty of trigger time on their handgun of choice.
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I totally agree with this. The only trouble is, many people won’t make that effort and will simply do the minimum required.In my opinion, the objective is to get people qualified. Police academies and FLETC have 60, 80, 100 hours or so to work with recruits prior to attempting to qualify. Trainers have 16 hours to get them to pass just one aspect of the course, the qualification. There’s so much more that goes into a Wear & Carry course than just that. The .22 provides an economical way to meet the objective, so it makes good business sense as well. Once the student is qualified to carry, the responsible thing to do would be to go and get plenty of trigger time on their handgun of choice.
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It's not a MD certification, It's LEOSA. We have to qualify once a year. LEOSA law says "firearm", so technically we could carry both in the eyes of the Federal Government. Maryland separates it from revolver and semi. For those who uses Sykesville for the qual, we pay 50 bucks and use our own ammo, so it isn't a budget thing. They just don't want to take the time to run people through twice.A friend of mine is a retired LEO. Apparently, in MD, his certification is limited to a semi-auto since that’s what he qualifies with. If he wants to carry a revolver, he’d need to qualify with one first. He said the state didn’t budget for two separate qualifications though. That’s just what he told me anyway.
Thank you. I could have sworn that I included that it was a LEOSA qualification. I guess it was implied, but I didn’t write it. And by “budget”, I was including time since the proctors aren’t doing this for free.It's not a MD certification, It's LEOSA. We have to qualify once a year. LEOSA law says "firearm", so technically we could carry both in the eyes of the Federal Government. Maryland separates it from revolver and semi. For those who uses Sykesville for the qual, we pay 50 bucks and use our own ammo, so it isn't a budget thing. They just don't want to take the time to run people through twice.
When I lived in PA, the guy I used for my LEOSA qual had qual cards that just said I qualified with a firearm.
Charles County SO actually took the time to qual people both on qual day. I think we paid them 100 bucks.
This is the reason why I got my W&C, in case I want to throw a revolver in my pocket or in the even I cannot do my LEOSA qual for 1 reason or another.
You're welcome!Thank you. I could have sworn that I included that it was a LEOSA qualification. I guess it was implied, but I didn’t write it. And by “budget”, I was including time since the proctors aren’t doing this for free.
I appreciate the feedback.
Whats contradictory is some of the people posting believe in constitutional carry yet also support additional qualification restrictions set by instructors.
And the guy next to you somehow gets 29 of 25There is no requirement to not shoot themselves in the foot. 18 of 25 is passing, regardless of where the other 7 go.
Whats contradictory is some of the people posting believe in constitutional carry yet also support additional qualification restrictions set by instructors.
Not saying stopping power for the qualification. Stopping power is about real world application when carrying. Most that use .22 to qualify are fearing the 9mm recoil. The 5.7 offers measurably less recoil for qualification…Well you don't need stopping power for a qual. A noob certainly isn't into shooting so much as to get into a 5.7, because of sticker shock. And it's not the best carry pistol as far as holsters and size.
The military doesn't start recruits out on 22, neither does any police academy. Fletc starts students out on 9mm or what their agency carries.
Starting out on .22 is a waste of time.
And IMMENSELY more expensive. I'd venture to say that anyone with a 5.7 will have a .22. Might as well use the .22.Not saying stopping power for the qualification. Stopping power is about real world application when carrying. Most that use .22 to qualify are fearing the 9mm recoil. The 5.7 offers measurably less recoil for qualification…
I am probably the exception. Don’t own a .22, but love the 5.7x28. I buy in bulk so I pay @.67 cent per round. Recoil wise lower the recoil the quicker you can put follow up shots on target. To each his own. Having guns chambered in 5.7,9mm,40,45 acp, 45GAP, 10 and 357sig the 5.7 is quickly becoming my favorite.And IMMENSELY more expensive. I'd venture to say that anyone with a 5.7 will have a .22. Might as well use the .22.
Fearing recoil is ridiculous. People should take a class before their WC class. People act like recoil is breaking wrists out there lol
As noted above 10 times the price of .22.I am probably the exception. Don’t own a .22, but love the 5.7x28. I buy in bulk so I pay @.67 cent per round
Their business, their rules
I may have disliked the rules when I had to go get a cert to teach on a contract (they were in addition to the fed standards and specific to the instructor/facility qualifying us) but that's what I had to deal with.
So by your logic (and I normally agree with your posts) any business that refuses to take cash (legal for all debts public and private) is wrong? I'm for that. Any business that doesn't allow you to say whatever you want to on their premises is wrong? Maybe not.These are RIGHTS, not privileges. If elected lawmakers aren't allowed to place arbitrary restrictions on who or what can be carried, I'd expect the same from a private business owner, especially when he/she is acting as an agent of the state.
Dont believe me? Try firing someone because they are a minority. Rights are rights.
There is no enumerated right to be a contract teacher.