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  • SmokeEaterPilot

    Active Member
    Jun 3, 2011
    527
    Working on collecting items that help complement SRS hits. And a theme around the hit.

    Here is a SRS hit to the US Navy in 1941.

    1017612 082341 PUGET SOUND NAVY YD

    It's to the US Navy Yard at Puget Sound, however once pulling the document you can see it narrows it down to a carrier the USS Saratoga. The Sara has an interesting history. Initially, she was a battlecruiser but converted to one of the first aircraft carriers to comply with the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922.

    These rifles were pulled off and surveyed in August of 1941 when her A.A. and Radar was being upgraded. In a separate location at the archives, it notes that landing force equipment and small arms were being eliminated for carriers (with the exception of USMC detachments). The entire purpose of a landing party was to secure hostile ports (like Vera Cruz in 1914) but as doctrine changed, the US Navy would not let a carrier anywhere near a hostile port, thereby making landing force equipment unnecessary.

    I always stress to people interested in SRS hits a couple of things to get started and be mindful of.

    1) Try not to interpret too much from an SRS citation. The documentation may lead you in an entirely different direction than you would by going on the citation alone. Here for example, who would have this citation was talking specifically about the USS Saratoga? (There were other naval ships being surveyed at this time and are in the SRS as well. Under the same citation).

    2) Always try to get the document first. Just because a small arm is an SRS hit does not make it documented. It just means its a match to a database which may or may not be correct. There are transcription errors.

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    mawkie

    C&R Whisperer
    Sep 28, 2007
    4,357
    Catonsville
    Good job! Can't imagine how much work this is to put eyes on countless listings, looking for needles in the haystack. And how lucky to find this example in original condition when you realize just how many 1903s were sporterized over the years.
    Willing to bet that finding the Landing Party manual was as hard, if not harder, than the rifle. Can't imagine too many survived.
     

    AlBeight

    Member
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 30, 2017
    4,529
    Hampstead
    Working on collecting items that help complement SRS hits. And a theme around the hit.

    Here is a SRS hit to the US Navy in 1941.

    1017612 082341 PUGET SOUND NAVY YD

    It's to the US Navy Yard at Puget Sound, however once pulling the document you can see it narrows it down to a carrier the USS Saratoga. The Sara has an interesting history. Initially, she was a battlecruiser but converted to one of the first aircraft carriers to comply with the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922.

    These rifles were pulled off and surveyed in August of 1941 when her A.A. and Radar was being upgraded. In a separate location at the archives, it notes that landing force equipment and small arms were being eliminated for carriers (with the exception of USMC detachments). The entire purpose of a landing party was to secure hostile ports (like Vera Cruz in 1914) but as doctrine changed, the US Navy would not let a carrier anywhere near a hostile port, thereby making landing force equipment unnecessary.

    I always stress to people interested in SRS hits a couple of things to get started and be mindful of.

    1) Try not to interpret too much from an SRS citation. The documentation may lead you in an entirely different direction than you would by going on the citation alone. Here for example, who would have this citation was talking specifically about the USS Saratoga? (There were other naval ships being surveyed at this time and are in the SRS as well. Under the same citation).

    2) Always try to get the document first. Just because a small arm is an SRS hit does not make it documented. It just means its a match to a database which may or may not be correct. There are transcription errors.

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    IQ84tujl.jpg


    rLYOAdcl.jpg


    koKT7IBl.jpg


    AJz444ll.jpg


    QRUHWGEl.jpg


    WX2EnpNl.jpg


    jBj7GRwl.jpg


    u35wgujl.jpg


    xpzIKWWl.jpg


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    What is a “SRS hit” ?
     

    SmokeEaterPilot

    Active Member
    Jun 3, 2011
    527
    Good job! Can't imagine how much work this is to put eyes on countless listings, looking for needles in the haystack. And how lucky to find this example in original condition when you realize just how many 1903s were sporterized over the years.
    Willing to bet that finding the Landing Party manual was as hard, if not harder, than the rifle. Can't imagine too many survived.
    Thanks Mawkie!

    About 3 or so years ago I thought about just collecting items based on usefulness. More times than not they're just props for photos like here.

    The photos came in a large bound book put together by Naval Intelligence in 1942. It's thick and bound up by ACO fasteners. I picked it up in a antique store in downtown Ghettyburg for $125 and the Donald duck Navy cap was also there for maybe $30. The Landing Party manual was maybe $50. The small arms manual was like $13. I generally just put vague searches and see what comes up. I'm very cheap when it comes to equipment. Sometimes items can be expensive and there's no way around paying for them.
     

    SmokeEaterPilot

    Active Member
    Jun 3, 2011
    527
    What is a “SRS hit” ?
    In the 1970s and 1980s a retired Navy veteran named Frank Mallory went to the archives everyday in retirement. He searched all sorts of government records and made note of anything with a serial number. Over the years he started a business called the Springfield Research Service or SRS for short.

    He comprised his notes into the form of small arms databases and quarterly newsletters for subscribers. You could pay a fee for a copy of the document and a letter certifying its provenance. If you have a match it's known as a "hit."

    Mallory died in 2004, the SRS has changed hands a couple times since then but really nothing like it was. It's essentially defunct now, its current owner is in his mid-80s with no successor in line. Very sad ending for a wonderful concept born in the pre-digital age. Mallory really was a head of his time.
     

    mawkie

    C&R Whisperer
    Sep 28, 2007
    4,357
    Catonsville
    Funny that I collect aviation artwork and have a Stan Stokes print of the Lexington and Saratoga circa early 30s showing them with Boeing FB.
     

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