Still requiring references?

[SigFan]

The application no longer requires the employer for references. Required elements all have an asterisk in them.

I just logged into my MSP account and revisited my W&C app which I started 3 weeks ago and the "Employer" section is still there and a requirement.

Then I started a new W&C app and it's still there, maybe I'm missing something, do tell.

SigFan

 

[teratos]

They ONLY removed G&S. The rest is in place until it can be changed by the legislature. Don’t expect changes to the app for a year.

 

[K-Romulus]

I checked back in to MDS after Bruen, and this thread is on point. If you live in MoCO, work for a big corp., and only have local friends/acquaintances drawn from where you exist (i.e., upper income MoCo and the office), then you will be hard pressed to find 3x people *in MD* to agree to be a reference for an eebil gunz permit, not to mention potential career issues if your anti-gun boss gets contacted (not sure if mine is, we only talk about, you know, work issues).

I can get my out-of-state buddies to do it- but does anyone know if the references have to be in-state? This is literally the one thing holding up my application.

 

[teratos]

I checked back in to MDS after Bruen, and this thread is on point. If you live in MoCO, work for a big corp., and only have local friends/acquaintances drawn from where you exist (i.e., upper income MoCo and the office), then you will be hard pressed to find 3x people *in MD* to agree to be a reference for an eebil gunz permit, not to mention potential career issues if your anti-gun boss gets contacted (not sure if mine is, we only talk about, you know, work issues).

I can get my out-of-state buddies to do it- but does anyone know if the references have to be in-state? This is literally the one thing holding up my application.

They just need people who know you. State doesn’t matter.

 

[outrider58]

Phone interviews are usually shorted than 10 minutes.

 

[whistlersmother]

No one knows me and I like it like that.

I would be very hard pressed to fine one reference, let alone three.

 

[6-Pack]

No one knows me and I like it like that.

I would be very hard pressed to fine one reference, let alone three.

Reminds me of “Better Call Saul” where he had 5 different cell phones with labels on them and pretended to be different people answering each phone. Don’t do that here though!

It did remind me of that though.

 

[teratos]

No one knows me and I like it like that.

I would be very hard pressed to fine one reference, let alone three.

Put me down. I’ll say you give a great reach-around, and everyone at the bathhouse thinks you’re a stand-up guy. As long as you pass the background check, they can’t deny you.

 

[whistlersmother]

Put me down. I’ll say you give a great reach-around, and everyone at the bathhouse thinks you’re a stand-up guy. As long as you pass the background check, they can’t deny you.

Got it. Doc with the amazing hair. What's the number? 867-5301?

 

[teratos]

Got it. Doc with the amazing hair. What's the number? 867-5301?

Lol. That works!!!

 

[Ecestu]

Got it. Doc with the amazing hair. What's the number? 867-5301?

It's NINE!

 

[swinokur]

It’s 5309


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[dblas]

It's NINE!

It’s 5309


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Hey you guys, that's Jenny's number...

Doc's number is indeed 5301...

 

[teratos]

Hey you guys, that's Jenny's number...

Doc's number is indeed 5301...

Correct.

 

[camo556]

idk, I spoke with a few more recent graduates of the Special Permission Academy today and the opinion was mixed. "They don't call them or ask questions" seemed to be the consensus. I suspect that the practice has varied with the political winds. Of course, MDSP reads this board, so opinions here will influence the results. I give a 30% chance that they call references. a)they are crushed; b) they never discover anything; c) what they do discover would be grounds for a lawsuit if denied especially if d) they are inconsistent. Bruen was clear that the process needs to be objective and leave nothing to the discretion of law enforcement. If I was betting, I'd bet that they keep up appearances and require it, but don't really call.

People who submitted 6/27 are now being assigned investigators. We will find out very soon.

 

[6-Pack]

Not to mention the 1983 civil liability for the poor sap that denies the permit. I wouldn’t want to sign off on a denial unless I had absolutely nothing in my own name.

Probably wouldn’t want to be an investigator either because they could be liable under 1983 as part of a civil conspiracy.

I won’t give legal advice here, but if I were a trooper reviewing/signing off on permit applications it would be wise to get some legal counsel before denying like the good ole days.

 

[Cal68]

I do not have problems giving references because I get to choose whom I list. It is the employer/supervisor requirement that I object to because I do not know if they are 2A supporters or not.

Cal68

 

[Cal68]

The application no longer requires the employer for references. Required elements all have an asterisk in them.

This is great news. Thanks for the heads up.

Cal68

 

[outrider58]

idk, I spoke with a few more recent graduates of the Special Permission Academy today and the opinion was mixed. "They don't call them or ask questions" seemed to be the consensus. I suspect that the practice has varied with the political winds. Of course, MDSP reads this board, so opinions here will influence the results. I give a 30% chance that they call references. a)they are crushed; b) they never discover anything; c) what they do discover would be grounds for a lawsuit if denied especially if d) they are inconsistent. Bruen was clear that the process needs to be objective and leave nothing to the discretion of law enforcement. If I was betting, I'd bet that they keep up appearances and require it, but don't really call.

People who submitted 6/27 are now being assigned investigators. We will find out very soon.

We will see...

 

[outrider58]

The application no longer requires the employer for references. Required elements all have an asterisk in them.

If you're self employed, who would they call?