Scope and red dot mount

[Archeryrob]

Anyone have a setup with a red dot and scope mounted on top? I am fimilar with the red dot on a 45° mount on the right side and tilting the rifle to use it and scope on top. I have a Vortex Viper red dot and was wondering if anyone mounted one of these low ones with shoot through scope mounts on top of an AR.

 

[outrider58]

Anyone have a setup with a red dot and scope mounted on top? I am fimilar with the red dot on a 45° mount on the right side and tilting the rifle to use it and scope on top. I have a Vortex Viper red dot and was wondering if anyone mounted one of these low ones with shoot through scope mounts on top of an AR.

Most people either angle them,a s you mentioned, or they put them on top of the scope(special scope ring with a picatinny rail. When you put the dot on top of the scope, you will want to get used to a 'chin weld' as opposed to a cheek weld, when moving to the red dot.

Thusly...

 

[jimbobborg]

Top mount, for me, felt awkward. It was faster to angle the rifle than it was to tilt my head up for the red dot. Practice with either until it was automatic fixes that,

 

[Archeryrob]

I bought this one to mount on top the scope. It has the base plate for the Viper on it. I'll try the 45 degree mount if I don't like chin on the stock shooting. It is for a 6.8 SPC so I am assuming lighter recoil.

Amazon product ASIN B0B3SPDRZM

 

[outrider58]

I bought this one to mount on top the scope. It has the base plate for the Viper on it. I'll try the 45 degree mount if I don't like chin on the stock shooting. It is for a 6.8 SPC so I am assuming lighter recoil.

Amazon product ASIN B0B3SPDRZM

Are you going to use this on deer?

 

[Archeryrob]

No, More of a SHTF rifle in 6.8 SPC and maybe Coyotes and such.

 

[Bountied]

Are you going to use this on deer?

I think he's going for this setup.

 

[Archeryrob]

NO I wanted a red dot for up close and moving action if I have SHTF situation or coyote and fox hunting. We have had it before where they run by trying to check you out and you can't find them in the scope at 40 -50 yards moving. Or I could shoot 200 yards with the scope.

I wanted a long distance and up close sighting system. Just like shoot through iron sites on a scope.

 

[outrider58]

I think he's going for this setup.

View attachment 443586

Nothing wrong with a little redundancy in your main battle rifle...

 

[outrider58]

NO I wanted a red dot for up close and moving action if I have SHTF situation or coyote and fox hunting. We have had it before where they run by trying to check you out and you can't find them in the scope at 40 -50 yards moving. Or I could shoot 200 yards with the scope.

I wanted a long distance and up close sighting system. Just like shoot through iron sites on a scope.

That makes perfect sense.

 

[jimbobborg]

No, More of a SHTF rifle in 6.8 SPC and maybe Coyotes and such.

You know, the battery life on that Vortex isn't that long. Why aren't you using an LPVO? I put one on my 6.8 SPC SPR and it works great close and far. 1-6x or 1-8x should be great for this application.

 

[Archeryrob]

Have you ever tried to shoot anything moving, close, with a scope? I can do it with a red dot dot and iron sights. Plus I can't get peripheral awareness that I am not swinging toward the cows or sheep on a farm. It's a big no no, to drill a cow, sheep or goat when missing a fox or yote. Farmers get touchy about things like that.

Using what I have. I got three scopes to try and a red dot now.

 

[BFMIN]

It depends on the scope.
If it usable to be set to fairly low power (4X max for me) & has a "BOLD" reticule( or a red dot center)?
If so Yes. Just open both eyes & Use the "Bindon Aiming Concept"
(Remember, detractors we're close up here).
Just look through the scope with both eyes open. The brain will superimpose the two images into one.

 

[outrider58]

It depends on the scope.
If it usable to be set to fairly low power (4X max for me) & has a "BOLD" reticule( or a red dot center)?
If so Yes. Just open both eyes & Use the "Bindon Aiming Concept"
(Remember, detractors we're close up here).
Just look through the scope with both eyes open. The brain will superimpose the two images into one.

This is how I shoot...

...everything.

 

[BFMIN]

Well, yes. But the question was specifically

Nothing wrong with a little redundancy in your main battle rifle...

Absolutely!

 

[gungate]

I just got a 1-8 scope and it seems to be the best of both worlds as far as closeup and far away. I can only do 100 yards at my range but I didn't even need to dial it to 8. I don't see a need for a prism or holo scope with this.

 

[smokey]

Mounting up top can be better for nightvision. It can also be useful in the same way the gbrs mount is useful for keeping a straight posture and not needing to bend your neck to find the dot.

The main drawback is that it takes the already high height-over bore of an AR and makes it ridiculous. So depending on the distance you're zero'd and the distance of that fox, you could be throwing shots way under or over it.

If you're not running nods, a canted red dot 45 off to the side makes for a faster transition from the scope to the dot and hugely reduces the height over bore problem.

 

[outrider58]

Mounting up top can be better for nightvision. It can also be useful in the same way the gbrs mount is useful for keeping a straight posture and not needing to bend your neck to find the dot.

The main drawback is that it takes the already high height-over bore of an AR and makes it ridiculous. So depending on the distance you're zero'd and the distance of that fox, you could be throwing shots way under or over it.

If you're not running nods, a canted red dot 45 off to the side makes for a faster transition from the scope to the dot and hugely reduces the height over bore problem.

You would want to at least have a 50 yard zero and know/train for the shorter distances. IMO, if it is strictly an HD gun, you could get away with a shorter zero because, more than likely, you aren't going to be engaging anyone beyond the longest indoor shot you abode will affords.