SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[Bertfish]

nah
nah they want to DOUBLE it

They want to double fees and changing the required content for training. But the 16/8 requirement isn't being altered at least at this time

 

[jbrown50]

Rights aren't privileges. Just because the MGA treats them that way doesn't make it so. LEOs are only getting what they should be getting anyway as lawful citizens.

The problem isn't what LEOs are getting. The problem is that the MGA and all other leftist dominated entities are treating a right, that all lawful citizens should be enjoying, as a privilege.

 

[lazarus]

No

That was my understanding as well. If it is private property and guns are defacto banned, the owner(s) of the property, any licensed security guards employed by the owners, or anyone providing security without compensation and with the approval of the owner(s) may carry.

I think it would be real tricky if it was an employee who was armed with the approval of the owner(s). They are getting paid, but I'd assume so long as you can show that them being armed was not a function of the job, they were not employed because they volunteered to carry a firearm, and were not being provided any extra pay or benefits (remuneration) for carrying it would comply with the law.

 

[lazarus]

The property tax relief is capped at the state level to a certain amount (I think its $1500) its primary goal is an incentive for volunteers because they are giving back to the community instead of JUST "draining"

If it is a fixed amount, so effectively a fixed grant/stipend, I don't have any issues with that. Volunteer EMS and firefighters are doing exactly that, and if they get a small incentive to volunteer, I am down.

It would be a problem to me if it was not a fixed amount. Why would the volunteer EMS or firefighter who lives in the $1 million house deserve more benefit than the guy living in the $200,000 house? $1500 crap basically means anyone living on private property they own would get the same benefit (that's what, about $140-170k home, depending on the county to hit the $1500 cap? I'd imagine there are some homes worth less than that in the most rural parts of the state, but you'd probably still have to do a bit of searching to find one worth well under $200k in Maryland)

 

[RFBfromDE]

I'd imagine there are some homes worth less than that in the most rural parts of the state, but you'd probably still have to do a bit of searching to find one worth well under $200k in Maryland)

Check W. Baltimore.

Plenty.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Check W. Baltimore.

Plenty.

Not a lot of volunteer firefighters in W. Baltimore.

 

[Tower43]

If it is a fixed amount, so effectively a fixed grant/stipend, I don't have any issues with that. Volunteer EMS and firefighters are doing exactly that, and if they get a small incentive to volunteer, I am down.

It would be a problem to me if it was not a fixed amount. Why would the volunteer EMS or firefighter who lives in the $1 million house deserve more benefit than the guy living in the $200,000 house? $1500 crap basically means anyone living on private property they own would get the same benefit (that's what, about $140-170k home, depending on the county to hit the $1500 cap? I'd imagine there are some homes worth less than that in the most rural parts of the state, but you'd probably still have to do a bit of searching to find one worth well under $200k in Maryland)

it is fixed at the state level. When MoCo adopted it the MCVFRA (essentially volly union) threw a fit that the relief is a pittance in the costs of taxes in county. Council replied with thats the max legslly they can provide.

 

[Tower43]

The benefit is tied to making your LOSAP requirements. LOSAP is essentially a retirement for volunteers. Its low (depending on county 250-600 max/mo after 25+ years) But they apply the monetary benefit equally. Make LOSAP? Here's your $1500 tax credit. Its paid out by the county in the form of a credit on your property tax, so no physical money comes from it.

 

[MJD438]

The benefit is tied to making your LOSAP requirements. LOSAP is essentially a retirement for volunteers. Its low (depending on county 250-600 max/mo after 25+ years) But they apply the monetary benefit equally. Make LOSAP? Here's your $1500 tax credit. Its paid out by the county in the form of a credit on your property tax, so no physical money comes from it.

Just an aside - the property tax benefits don't apply to those volunteers, like me, that don't live in the county in which they volunteer.

 

[Biknman]

Saw this posted this morning under SB1 via MGA website: Study pdf Racial Equity Impact https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/Pubs/BudgetFiscal/2023RS-SB0001-REIN.pdf

 

[RFBfromDE]

Saw this posted this morning under SB1 on MGA: Study pdf Racial Equity Impact https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/Pubs/BudgetFiscal/2023RS-SB0001-REIN.pdf

No racism or potential racism here, nope!

 

[Pax]

Saw this posted this morning under SB1 on MGA: Study pdf Racial Equity Impact https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/Pubs/BudgetFiscal/2023RS-SB0001-REIN.pdf

My instructor has expressed to me many times how discriminatory these laws are. His opinion that there are minority citizens who have the greatest need due to their environment are being left behind. Little access to education and live fire training. Between availability as well as the associated expenses (which are going up for whole process). The cost for those who are in lower socioeconomic groups, are subject to the State's highly discriminatory set of laws.
I have to agree there are so many flaws in this attempt to to circumvent the rights of all citizens interested in a simple right to defend self and family.

 

[Bertfish]

My instructor has expressed to me many times how discriminatory these laws are. His opinion that there are minority citizens who have the greatest need due to their environment are being left behind. Little access to education and live fire training. Between availability as well as the associated expenses (which are going up for whole process). The cost for those who are in lower socioeconomic groups, are subject to the State's highly discriminatory set of laws.
I have to agree there are so many flaws in this attempt to to circumvent the rights of all citizens interested in a simple right to defend self and family.

Gun control is rooted in racism

Someone please ask Clippinger why he hates poor people when he tries to double the permitting fees in SB1

 

[elwojo]

Here Webster is talking about how Bruen is making carry more accessible to people - and how that's a bad thing because more guns will be stolen from "unlocked vehicles". Never mind that any data they have is pre-Bruen...

This is the same Webster who provided expert testimony in support of SB1. This is the same guy who advocated for more firearms to be stored in cars as a result of SB1, and he is complaining that firearms are being stolen from cars, and he can't see that he advocated for more of that to happen.

Some people just really can't see the reality of the world outside of their ivory towers...

 

[teratos]

Here Webster is talking about how Bruen is making carry more accessible to people - and how that's a bad thing because more guns will be stolen from "unlocked vehicles". Never mind that any data they have is pre-Bruen...

This is the same Webster who provided expert testimony in support of SB1. This is the same guy who advocated for more firearms to be stored in cars as a result of SB1, and he is complaining that firearms are being stolen from cars, and he can't see that he advocated for more of that to happen.

Some people just really can't see the reality of the world outside of their ivory towers...

The same Webster who has been found to lie. Nobody there cares.

 

[Some Guy]

Here Webster is talking about how Bruen is making carry more accessible to people - and how that's a bad thing because more guns will be stolen from "unlocked vehicles". Never mind that any data they have is pre-Bruen...

This is the same Webster who provided expert testimony in support of SB1. This is the same guy who advocated for more firearms to be stored in cars as a result of SB1, and he is complaining that firearms are being stolen from cars, and he can't see that he advocated for more of that to happen.

Some people just really can't see the reality of the world outside of their ivory towers...

He sees it. He knows it. He's saying these things knowing full well he is lying and obfuscating.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Some helpful statistics in that report.

Someone should have asked them to study the real problem ..... "How does the existing permitting scheme and the SB 1 enhancements discriminate against poor residents who are disproportionately composed of ethnic and racial minorities?"

Now there are even more restrictions on inner city residents because there is virtually nowhere where they would be allowed to carry even if they could afford a permit and jump through the necessary hoops to acquire one.

 

[elwojo]

Now there are even more restrictions on inner city residents because there is virtually nowhere where they would be allowed to carry even if they could afford a permit and jump through the necessary hoops to acquire one.

This is not a bug. It's a critical feature of the proposed carry bills. They are on record that you shouldn't need a gun to protect yourself, and that anyone carrying a gun is a de-facto bad person (unless they are protecting the state's interests).

Remember, they are prohibitionists. They can't ban guns, so they are trying to pass whatever they can that will at least last a few years at a time in the courts.

They couldn't care less about an individual's problems. They've got their utopia to build at whatever costs.

 

[Biknman]

 

[BeoBill]