SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

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  • cmartin

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    Jun 11, 2009
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    Va. And NC both had laws years ago prohibiting carry into a restaurant , etc. where Alcohol was sold. They both dropped this silly idea. I’m guessing the amount of business loss will not sway business owners at all?
     

    teratos

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    Jan 22, 2009
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    Va. And NC both had laws years ago prohibiting carry into a restaurant , etc. where Alcohol was sold. They both dropped this silly idea. I’m guessing the amount of business loss will not sway business owners at all?
    The politicians won’t care. That’s what matters.
     

    ICW2019

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    Mar 8, 2012
    355
    Eastern Shore
    What really gets me is the carvouts for the special people this doesn't effect. How does a correctional officer get exempted from these laws like they are leo's.
     

    RFBfromDE

    W&C MD, UT, PA
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    Aug 21, 2022
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    The Land of Pleasant Living
    What really gets me is the carvouts for the special people this doesn't effect. How does a correctional officer get exempted from these laws like they are leo's.
    A. Both are paid by taxpayers.

    They are also deemed G&S as former inmates may attack them at home.

    "But so can the former inmates victim"

    Refer to exhibit A.
     

    Phoenix_1295

    Creature of Life and Fire
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    Oct 6, 2010
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    On a related note, unfortunately, Pippy’s proposed amendment to HB824 to hold permit fees at current amount (not double) was rejected this morning.
     

    Lafayette

    Not that kind of doctor
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    Jan 8, 2021
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    A. Both are paid by taxpayers.

    They are also deemed G&S as former inmates may attack them at home.

    "But so can the former inmates victim"

    Refer to exhibit A.
    Too bad the “equal protection” clause has been eviscerated. Every citizen should have the same right to self defense as the next. I don’t believe retired police, CO’s, etc should have more ability (or any less!) to protect themselves than the rest of us.
     

    Slhaney

    Active Member
    Sep 8, 2019
    163
    Street, MD
    They don't like the idea of Black Marylanders being searched by police.

    Presumably the rest of us can suck it. Happy to take our permits and rights.

    Still, there's substantial pushback; ACLU, Public Defenders, even MSP(!)

    MSP's objections - where have we seen these brought up?:

    "Senate Bill 1 expands the list of restricted areas to almost everywhere but the firearm
    owner’s residence. However, the legislation does not exempt public safety personnel such as
    police officers both on and off duty, police officers from other states within Maryland on official
    business, active military personnel, security guards, private detectives, federal contractors,
    correctional officers, special agents of the railroad, armored car personnel, or special police
    officers.
    The legislation doesn’t consider those permit holders who received a wear and carry
    permit for a “good and substantial reason” prior to the issuance of the Bruen decision. As an
    example, judges, state’s attorneys, victims of crime or domestic violence, and legislators to
    name a few, have applied for and received handgun permits due to direct threats against their
    lives. There are thousands or permit holders who received a permit for business purposes who
    transport money, bonds, or precious jewels."
    Those permit holders have no more right to carry than those of us newly permitted. While the proposed bill is ridiculous and unconstitutional, it should apply to us all equally or, preferably, not at all.
     

    RFBfromDE

    W&C MD, UT, PA
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    Aug 21, 2022
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    Too bad the “equal protection” clause has been eviscerated. Every citizen should have the same right to self defense as the next. I don’t believe retired police, CO’s, etc should have more ability (or any less!) to protect themselves than the rest of us.
    Statists are for The State and it's cronies only.

    We plebes can suck-it.
     

    esqappellate

    President, MSI
    Feb 12, 2012
    7,407
    So a bar owner can’t carry in his own establishment when handling large amounts of cash?
    There is an exception for owners and for security guards and persons authorized by the owner to provide security if they do so without compensation
     

    Phoenix_1295

    Creature of Life and Fire
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    Oct 6, 2010
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    MD
    There is an exception for owners and for security guards and persons authorized by the owner to provide security if they do so without compensation
    So, hypothetically, a restaurant owner could “authorize” all of their customers to protect their families/table-mates, for no remuneration, when in their restaurant.

    ???
     

    mac1_131

    MSI Executive Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 31, 2009
    3,280
    This ^^ Here is the language from SB1 "A LOCATION LICENSED TO SELL OR DISPENSE ALCOHOL OR CANNABIS FOR ON–SITE CONSUMPTION;"
    This is also a trap. There are some beer/wine/liquor stores that have on-premise licenses that are just retail sales only. Probably old grandfathered licenses but they exist. Right here in moco. How would one know the details of a retail store's license?
     

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