SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

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  • cms1528

    Active Member
    Feb 26, 2013
    802
    Law does not excluded police officers who might be off duty, at least not that I saw
     

    MigraineMan

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 9, 2011
    18,881
    Frederick County
    The bill passed and was signed into law by the governor. Will take effect 1-Oct-23 unless MSI can file suit and get a PI by then. Biggest restriction is that ALL privately owned property will require permission to enter with a firearm via a sign, oral, or written approval. Folks on this site are rude, sorry you didn't get a better response.
    According to MGAs site, neither SB-1 nor HB-824 have been signed by the good Guv-nah, yet.
     

    Some Guy

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    MDS Supporter
    Oct 26, 2017
    980
    I wrote this to Clippinger before the Bills passage:

    Dear Delegate Clippinger,

    In a recent House hearing you stated that the 3rd Amendment allows for the prohibition of firearms on private property.

    I would like to remind you that the 3rd Amendment was about the quartering of soldiers not the prohibiting of arms on private property by non soldiers.

    Quartering is providing housing and food.

    The argument that was made doesn't comply with text and tradition of the founding area.

    Therefore, I request you vote against the passage of SB1.

    I will not go into the other constitutional issues with this bill at this time however if you would like to know more about my views about the unconstitutionality of this bill, please feel free to contact me.
    Using the 3rd Amendment to justify SB-1 is absolute manure. They know it. We know it. They know we know it. And still they do it. It makes a mockery of rule of law. They know this and they just don't care.
     

    Some Guy

    Active Member
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 26, 2017
    980
    I wrote this to Clippinger before the Bills passage:

    Dear Delegate Clippinger,

    In a recent House hearing you stated that the 3rd Amendment allows for the prohibition of firearms on private property.

    I would like to remind you that the 3rd Amendment was about the quartering of soldiers not the prohibiting of arms on private property by non soldiers.

    Quartering is providing housing and food.

    The argument that was made doesn't comply with text and tradition of the founding area.

    Therefore, I request you vote against the passage of SB1.

    I will not go into the other constitutional issues with this bill at this time however if you would like to know more about my views about the unconstitutionality of this bill, please feel free to contact me.
    And...thanks for writing that. It's good.
     

    Some Guy

    Active Member
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    Oct 26, 2017
    980
    Which is extremely ironic because "owning a business that required one to handle a lot of cash" was on of the "good and substantial" reasons you could use to obtain a permit before the NYSRPA v. Bruen decision. Imagine a world where SCOTUS rights some wrongs and now everyone (including those who were special enough to get permits before) have even LESS rights. What a messed up state this is, blatantly passing laws and getting away with it. At one point during one of the hearings a couple of weeks ago, I heard Clippinger say something like, "That is for the courts to decide." Sure, let's have the state pay for defense of your unconstitutional law you forced through knowing full well it was unconstitutional. No penalty for him, so no big deal, right?
    Exactly. No consequences for willful disregard for legal judicial rulings from the highest court. It makes a mockery of all laws. Another thread pulled from our law and order fabric.
     

    Some Guy

    Active Member
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    Oct 26, 2017
    980
    Well at least there's that - it sucks for the majority, but it's good to know that I don't have to jump through additional hoops every time I want to renew my W&C.
    Exempting some classes of people from training and fee requirements also creates yet another 14th Amendment claim against SB-1 and HB-824.
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    21,982
    This thread has 3,489 posts of our thoughts, opinions and its hard to determine facts....it's hard to follow if you're not on here everyday and this dude just asked a question on where this bill is at.
    And that exact question has already been answered multiple times in this thread and/or is available from several other sources it is rude to be too lazy to look for the answer or consider one's time more valuable than someone else's. This thread would not be as long as it is if people would not keep asking questions that have been repeatedly answered. If you wish to spend your time answering these questions go right ahead but spare us the comments about other members rudeness.

    You could start your own "Questions Answered" thread where people could go to have you do their research for them and you can run that thread any way you like.
     

    coinboy

    Yeah, Sweet Lemonade.
    Oct 22, 2007
    4,479
    Howard County
    And that exact question has already been answered multiple times in this thread and/or is available from several other sources it is rude to be too lazy to look for the answer or consider one's time more valuable than someone else's. This thread would not be as long as it is if people would not keep asking questions that have been repeatedly answered. If you wish to spend your time answering these questions go right ahead but spare us the comments about other members rudeness.

    You could start your own "Questions Answered" thread where people could go to have you do their research for them and you can run that thread any way you like.
    The irony is that it took longer to write that than to just give the person the answer or to ignore it.

    This thread is massive and with the House and Senate versions, I understand why someone might be confused or not have time to run through it all.
     

    scottyfz6

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 22, 2018
    1,266
    I bet they will get a influx of people seeking to become instructors
    Why the only thing we are exempt from is new training every two years. Heck the fees for the training creds and nra membership costs what some classes do.
     

    Bertfish

    Throw bread on me
    Mar 13, 2013
    17,467
    White Marsh, MD
    Why the only thing we are exempt from is new training every two years. Heck the fees for the training creds and nra membership costs what some classes do.
    Yes but it's one time and you're exempt in perpetuity. So the ROI is maybe one renewal period.

    I got mine so I could get myself exempt but also handle renewals for friends and family at their convenience
     

    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
    Industry Partner
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 25, 2011
    17,047
    Outside the Gates
    Yes but it's one time and you're exempt in perpetuity. So the ROI is maybe one renewal period.

    There are expenses and fees involved. You have to pay to renew your NRA credentials and starting next year you must retake the BIT class every other year to maintain your instructor credentials.

    It’s not one and done
     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 22, 2009
    59,624
    Bel Air
    The training exemption has been there for years, it's not new.
    However, carry outside the home was only recently confirmed by SCOTUS to be protected 2nd Amendment activity.

    This can be a part of the argument in the Unconstitutionality of permitting a right.

    Maryland arbitrarily raising the fee for a permit is another.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,452
    Can't even make bank deposits without being in violation, but i wouldn't be shocked if someone actually calls a bank to be given permission to make a bank deposit while carrying :lol2:

    In the Bad Old Days of May Issue, bank lobbies were probably the most heavily armed places in the state .( In the Era when Business Owner/ Managers Permits had the language to the effect of " Between Residence , place of business, and Bank only " . )
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,452
    The bill passed and was signed into law by the governor. Will take effect 1-Oct-23 unless MSI can file suit and get a PI by then. Biggest restriction is that ALL privately owned property will require permission to enter with a firearm via a sign, oral, or written approval. Folks on this site are rude, sorry you didn't get a better response.

    Almost.

    Carry is prohibited explicitly in a crap load of places . In Addition to the places inherently Prohibited , the rest of the places require affirmative permission to carry .

    There is a Cynical Summation of this , but I haven't seen it brought up yet , and I won't be the Wet Blanket to say it first .
     

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