SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[trickg]

Did HB824 do away with exemption of the training requirement for active military and military retirees? I can't seem to figure out if that was part of it.

No

Well at least there's that - it sucks for the majority, but it's good to know that I don't have to jump through additional hoops every time I want to renew my W&C.

 

[Allen65]

Certainly true for many folks anymore. We're losing the art of debate

Screaming and conflict makes for much better media content than long, slow, intellectual lectures or debates. What is the audience for a TED Talk vs any of the MSNBC pundits or Tucker Carlson? Advertisers pay for eyeballs, and eyeballs are attracted to loud or rude noises, freak shows, and verbal gut punches.

 

[RFBfromDE]

Certainly true for many folks anymore. We're losing the art of debate

Screaming and conflict makes for much better media content than long, slow, intellectual lectures or debates. What is the audience for a TED Talk vs any of the MSNBC pundits or Tucker Carlson? Advertisers pay for eyeballs, and eyeballs are attracted to loud or rude noises, freak shows, and verbal gut punches.

When the Usual Suspects have lost the "debate" at the conclusion of their false Major Premise, all that is left is to point and laugh at them!

 

[ironpony]

Pages 10-11, and 101.


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I thought it would be interesting to see once again what may have started this backlash. I can't find what I thought I read so Thanks anyway and nevermind,

 

[Apd09]

I thought it would be interesting to see once again what may have started this backlash. I can't find what I thought I read so Thanks anyway and nevermind,

Started what backlash? The sensitive places one, that was footnote 9 believe.


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[CrueChief]

I still say the sponsors and co-sponsors of these bills should be the ones to defend them in court. They should be the ones to write the and present the briefs. They should be the ones who have to answer the questions of opposing counsel and if it gets appealed answers the questions of the judges. I mean how sweet would it be for the lawyers of all our 2A orgs to get these people on record in a court in front of judges and the world having to answer questions about the how's, why's and the what for's of these bills. Some might actually be embarrassed enough to only do it once or even return soros' money.

 

[JollyPedro]

Sorry. I don't have time to scroll thru 3000+ posts.

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The bill passed and was signed into law by the governor. Will take effect 1-Oct-23 unless MSI can file suit and get a PI by then. Biggest restriction is that ALL privately owned property will require permission to enter with a firearm via a sign, oral, or written approval. Folks on this site are rude, sorry you didn't get a better response.

 

[Allen65]

I still say the sponsors and co-sponsors of these bills should be the ones to defend them in court. They should be the ones to write the and present the briefs. They should be the ones who have to answer the questions of opposing counsel and if it gets appealed answers the questions of the judges. I mean how sweet would it be for the lawyers of all our 2A orgs to get these people on record in a court in front of judges and the world having to answer questions about the how's, why's and the what for's of these bills. Some might actually be embarrassed enough to only do it once or even return soros' money.

It would not surprise me to see both the bill's sponsors and author deposed as witnesses when the civil suit against SB1 kicks off. And they have legislative immunity against any prosecution related to debate and passage of any bill, so they can't use the 5th Amendment as a reason not to answer questions about the SB1, its intent, and the history and tradition used to justify its passage.

I wonder if the Everytown lawyer who drafted the text could be deposed, too? Could he claim privilege surrounding conversations with Waldo and other legislators and staff when they weren't his clients?

In addition to $ I've already sent to MSI to fight this, I'd love to help subsidize the plaintiffs' costs associated with the aforementioned depositions of legislators and Everytown staff, especially if videos of the depositions are published online.

 

[Bertfish]

The bill passed and was signed into law by the governor. Will take effect 1-Oct-23 unless MSI can file suit and get a PI by then. Biggest restriction is that ALL privately owned property will require permission to enter with a firearm via a sign, oral, or written approval. Folks on this site are rude, sorry you didn't get a better response.

No, we aren't rude.

The answers are all here. People don't want to look. We get tons of this same "can someone summarize???" every day. It's already been summarized, just go find it.

 

[hdatontodo]

No, we aren't rude.

The answers are all here. People don't want to look. We get tons of this same "can someone summarize???" every day. It's already been summarized, just go find it.

It is like my town FB page where people ask weekly about the best Chinese restaurant, lawn care, plumber, etc.

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[JollyPedro]

No, we aren't rude.

The answers are all here. People don't want to look. We get tons of this same "can someone summarize???" every day. It's already been summarized, just go find it.

This thread has 3,489 posts of our thoughts, opinions and its hard to determine facts....it's hard to follow if you're not on here everyday and this dude just asked a question on where this bill is at.

 

[jc1240]

No, we aren't rude.

The answers are all here. People don't want to look. We get tons of this same "can someone summarize???" every day. It's already been summarized, just go find it.

I think threads like this get very bloated with opinions that bury the facts. There was an attempt to solve that with the permit threads (one for progress and another for banter), but that to me failed because of cross-contamination. Perhaps for these bills there needs to be a fact-based thread with limited write access that I think would be more easily searched/understood and a separate banter thread open to all.

Threads this size suck for real data. There's no way to know what page to start with and there might be one relevant post on a page and garbage for the next 5 before another relevant post.

Or, just go to MSI's site.

EDIT: It doesn't help the way MD does things with the 2 different versions of the bills that pass that confuses the hell out of people.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

Without having to read thru this entire thread, what's the current status of this bill?

NotFound

 

[EXIT WOUND]

I think it may be better to let my carry permit expire and go Rogue. Penalties seem to be less.

 

[P-12 Norm]

I still say the sponsors and co-sponsors of these bills should be the ones to defend them in court. They should be the ones to write the and present the briefs. They should be the ones who have to answer the questions of opposing counsel and if it gets appealed answers the questions of the judges. I mean how sweet would it be for the lawyers of all our 2A orgs to get these people on record in a court in front of judges and the world having to answer questions about the how's, why's and the what for's of these bills. Some might actually be embarrassed enough to only do it once or even return soros' money.

I concur. I would love to hear my local Senator, a Democrat I actually USED to respect (Ron Watson-23rd) was a sponsor. And he claimed to me he was a 2A friendly Democrat.

 

[Bertfish]

I think it may be better to let my carry permit expire and go Rogue. Penalties seem to be less.

Definitely not the case

Read the thread and bill

 

[lazarus]

I think it may be better to let my carry permit expire and go Rogue. Penalties seem to be less.

you’d then be facing a 3 year misdemeanor carrying without a permit. Versus 1 year.

 

[Bertfish]

you’d then be facing a 3 year misdemeanor carrying without a permit. Versus 1 year.

5 year after 10/1

 

[scottyfz6]

Certainly true for many folks anymore. We're losing the art of debate

we are not, now take that back.

 

[scottyfz6]

I wonder if the Everytown lawyer who drafted the text could be deposed, too? Could he claim privilege surrounding conversations with Waldo and others when they weren't his clients?

This is an interesting thought. If he was not paid by the county or state then he is not under the cover of attorney client protection. He can then be questioned on the conversations he had, and the foia requests to the MGA and assembly are public records. Good chance he could wind up perjuring himself.