PTP gets pulled over

[Inigoes]

The video provides insights when a handgun carrier get pulled over.

 

[slsc98]

Bloomberg, et al’s heads are exploding, watching decades of incredibly effective brain-washing at various state’s police training commissions and basic training academies - across the country BUT PARTICULARLY MD, NY, NJ, MA, etc.) going out the window!

 

[babalou]

the hgp license should be suffice. Like it said they are not to do so but the msp head stated as such. ahole

 

[Zaicran]

PTP.


LOL!

 

[ToBeFree]

Stepping out of the car seems awful nice of him.

 

[Abuck]

Individual LEO need to be educated that they themselves can be found liable in civil rights violations.

As I’ve stated many times, we often hear that ignorance is no excuse for the law. That works both ways.

SCOTUS has taken a dim view with “running serial numbers just because they can” in Arizona v. Hicks.

Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321 (1987)

Arizona v. Hicks: Under the plain view doctrine, the police must have probable cause to believe that an item in question is evidence of a crime or is contraband in order to search and seize it without a warrant.

supreme.justia.com

 

[welder516]

LOL Indian call reading Serial # .


These guys are a bit over-done WOW, no conversation on what he originally did. SMH

 

[Inigoes]

Individual LEO need to be educated that they themselves can be found liable in civil rights violations.

As I’ve stated many times, we often hear that ignorance is no excuse for the law. That works both ways.

SCOTUS has taken a dim view with “running serial numbers just because they can” in Arizona v. Hicks.

Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321 (1987)

Arizona v. Hicks: Under the plain view doctrine, the police must have probable cause to believe that an item in question is evidence of a crime or is contraband in order to search and seize it without a warrant.

supreme.justia.com

This is what I noticed.

Why does the MSP need to run the serial number, when no crime exists after verifying the carry permit is valid?

 

[Zaicran]

This is what I noticed.

Why does the MSP need to run the serial number, when no crime exists after verifying the carry permit is valid?

Just because one has a permit doesn't mean a firearm in their possession isn't stolen.

 

[Abuck]

Just because one has a permit doesn't mean a firearm in their possession isn't stolen.

So guilty until proven innocent?

 

[Zaicran]

So guilty until proven innocent?

That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works!

Nobody said anything about being guilty. LEO can disarm you during the stop, which means they can run the serial while said firearm is in their possession.

 

[Inigoes]

The other observation the trooper made about running the serial number, was that they were just following orders because that is what their leadership's directed.

 

[Abuck]

Nobody said anything about being guilty. LEO can disarm you during the stop, which means they can run the serial while said firearm is in their possession.

You didn’t read anything of the SCOTUS case I cited, did you?

There are steps before a seizure can take place. Or we will see you in court. They can disarm for officer safety, aka a Terry frisk. But they don’t automatically have the right to run the serial #. That goes against our constitutional rights.

 

[Abuck]

The other observation the trooper made about running the serial number, was that they were just following orders because that is what their leadership's directed.

But it’s the individual officers committing the violations. Command is putting them in a legally precarious situation.

 

[jrumann59]

Stepping out of the car seems awful nice of him.

Honestly it sets everyone at ease. Can you imagine the possible CF it would cause trying to extract your gun from a sitting position without it looking threatening. The way PTP guy handled it was nice he was able to remove holster and gun without drawing the gun. Those of use with 3-4 or 6 o'clock carry would definitely need to step out of the vehicle so movements do not get mistaken as furtive.

 

[Abuck]

To make it easier/harder however you look at it, keep your serial numbers out of reach of the plain view doctrine. To me, he gave it to them in the holster. They had to commit an action to view the serial number, ie took it out of the holster, so that means it was not within plain view.

In the Arizona v. Hicks case, the stereo was moved to get the #, here it’s the firearm being manipulated and having the number run for no legal reason.

Running Firearm Serial Number During Traffic Stop

 

[Boats]

Bloomberg, et al’s heads are exploding, watching decades of incredibly effective brain-washing at various state’s police training commissions and basic training academies - across the country BUT PARTICULARLY MD, NY, NJ, MA, etc.) going out the window!

In what way has it gone out the window?

He had gun stickers on his car, let's ask him if he has a gun. Eh, ok, fair enough, officer safety, even though we initiated a traffic stop for speeding

He says he has a gun, but his hands are visible and he is obeying commands.

"Sir, don't reach for yours and we won't reach for ours. Here is your warning/citation. Have a nice day" Is how that should have gone.

Ok, we wanna see your carry permit. We wanna run the serial number. And any argument increases the chance of this going very bad very quickly a la Philandro Castile.

Until it becomes common perception that citizens have AS MUCH RIGHT to be armed as police, then Bloomberg etc. are still winning.

Nothing against the troopers. They didn't do anything wrong or illegal. This is a common perception issue. IMHO

 

[Inigoes]

Nothing against the troopers. They didn't do anything wrong or illegal. This is a common perception issue. IMHO

IMHO they crossed the line by running the serial number when no crime was committed.

Which brings up an interesting scenario: What liabilities are incurred when the trooper is manipulating the firearm and it discharges?

 

[Brikhaus]

Individual LEO need to be educated that they themselves can be found liable in civil rights violations.

As I’ve stated many times, we often hear that ignorance is no excuse for the law. That works both ways.

SCOTUS has taken a dim view with “running serial numbers just because they can” in Arizona v. Hicks.

Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321 (1987)

Arizona v. Hicks: Under the plain view doctrine, the police must have probable cause to believe that an item in question is evidence of a crime or is contraband in order to search and seize it without a warrant.

supreme.justia.com

Beat me to it. The senior trooper tries to play it off as an unofficial policy, but barring additional criminal indicators it is a 4A violation,

For those that say they don't want to, or will not get out of the car, save yourself a headache. The police can order you out of the car for any, or absolutely no reason. (MD. v. Wilson & PA v. Mimms). And if they become aware of your weapon, they can disarm you for the duration of the stop. That's why it's best, IMHO, to not volunteer that information, unless required by law. Obviously, the graphics on the car clued them in to ask about them.

 

[jrumann59]

IMHO they crossed the line by running the serial number when no crime was committed.

Which brings up an interesting scenario: What liabilities are incurred when the trooper is manipulating the firearm and it discharges?

It would depend, but I would almost say most of the liability would be carried by the troopers. If I hand you a gun and you are not familiar with its fully safe operation and shoot yourself, now if you had a "hair trigger" in it and didn't disclose it some would transfer to you.