Price limit on your CCW?

[FakeID]

When I do youth and scout range sessions, I rarely, if ever. shoot. This is the kids time. If I have a kid who keeps complaining and whining that the rifle must be broken cause I cant hit the paper, I will check it with 2 rounds. 99 times out of 100, the kid is not taking instruction.
I did have one kid that I could not get her on paper. I switched instructors. He could not either. We took her to the 10 yard range and she was grouping. I checked her original rifle and couldn't hit squat. Turns out the sights were just loose enough that made it off. I made a point of telling her (and her mom) it was the rifle and not her.

I recognize the point of this thread has kind of evolved into if/when instructor should shoot but please humor me.. My first taste of shooting/instruction was at a scouting event almost 30 years ago. I had zero experience with firearms but within my allotted time and ammo i went from totally clueless to hitting on target shot after shot. I have never forget that transformational feeling. The instructors that day certainly changed my perspective because i carefully and earnestly listened to them, not because they showed me what they can do. Thank you for volunteering your time and practicing your patience with the kids- it makes a difference.

 

[Shooterguy22]

I recognize the point of this thread has kind of evolved into if/when instructor should shoot but please humor me.. My first taste of shooting/instruction was at a scouting event almost 30 years ago. I had zero experience with firearms but within my allotted time and ammo i went from totally clueless to hitting on target shot after shot. I have never forget that transformational feeling. The instructors that day certainly changed my perspective because i carefully and earnestly listened to them, not because they showed me what they can do. Thank you for volunteering your time and practicing your patience with the kids- it makes a difference.

I think when you teach something really basic like just be safe hold gun shoot thing you don't need to really see how that should look as much. When you start doing more complex things like shooting rapidly, drawing, moving, or doing all of that at the same time it gets harder. It's not about showing them what you can do, it's about showing them what you want them to do. You'll also find that if you explain something one way, not everyone will get it. Sometimes showing someone you'll get a "ahhh now I understand what you're saying" response. People think differently not everything will click for everyone the same way.

Even better demo can be showing what it should look like, followed by showing common mistakes people make doing the thing. Seeing that, followed by them likely watching their classmates make those mistakes can help them spot it in their own shooting. The biggest thing someone could gain (if you can relay it to them) is how to diagnosis themselves going forward. In shooting we don't generally have coaches like other sports, what ever you get from a class you have to take back and practice and learn on your own or you'll never retain the info and never really get better.

 

[Mark75H]

In shooting we don't generally have coaches like other sports, what ever you get from a class you have to take back and practice and learn on your own or you'll never retain the info and never really get better.

Probably half of competitive shooting has formal coaching.

 

[Sundazes]

I recognize the point of this thread has kind of evolved into if/when instructor should shoot but please humor me.. My first taste of shooting/instruction was at a scouting event almost 30 years ago. I had zero experience with firearms but within my allotted time and ammo i went from totally clueless to hitting on target shot after shot. I have never forget that transformational feeling. The instructors that day certainly changed my perspective because i carefully and earnestly listened to them, not because they showed me what they can do. Thank you for volunteering your time and practicing your patience with the kids- it makes a difference.

Wow, thank you.

 

[Baccusboy]

$600 would be my limit. But I carry a S&W Shield 2.0 when stateside, which is probably half of that. Nobody ever sees it.

 

[Shooterguy22]

Probably half of competitive shooting has formal coaching.

I mainly shoot practical pistol matches where there are no real coaches. There may vary well be coaches in other disciplines. Those disciplines don't really come to mind in the context of ccw type skills.

I also doubt you need a coach to demo for you how to shoot trap, skeet, high power etc.

 

[airsporter]

Have not read 8 pages of posts but the SF philosophy holds true: "One is none, and two is one." That is, always have a backup.

 

[outrider58]

Have not read 8 pages of posts but the SF philosophy holds true: "One is none, and two is one." That is, always have a backup.

I keep seeing this throughout the thread. You are saying carry two guns?

I don't think that is what the saying means.

 

[Blaster229]

Have not read 8 pages of posts but the SF philosophy holds true: "One is none, and two is one." That is, always have a backup.

Most people cannot retain 1 pistol. How in the hell do you retain 2 of them if you are in a fight? Bringing a gun for another person is a terrible idea.

 

[FrankZ]

Most people cannot retain 1 pistol. How in the hell do you retain 2 of them if you are in a fight? Bringing a gun for another person is a terrible idea.

Not if I have 3. Then they have 1 and I still have 2.

 

[Blaster229]

Not if I have 3. Then they have 1 and I still have 2.

2 is 1 but 3 is fun.

 

[Biggfoot44]

I don't think that is what the saying means.

Yes it is .

 

[Doc TH]

Carrying a costly, or a "collector's item" firearm is of course a personal choice. In my view, selecting on the bases of high reliability and demonstrated individual expertise with that specific arm are the critical factors. As other posters have noted, that does not necessarily demand a high cost.

 

[outrider58]

Yes it is .

I've always heard it used as in personnel, not necessarily weapons.

 

[Blaster229]

I've always heard it used as in personnel, not necessarily weapons.

Well, for anything. Have a back up of everything. LOL

 

[outrider58]

Well, for anything. Have a back up of everything. LOL

So we're going from "only a stock gun with no improvements" to "multiple guns for self defense while walking down the street". OK...

 

[Blaster229]

So we're going from "only a stock gun with no improvements" to "multiple guns for self defense while walking down the street". OK...

Hey. We try to screen these people.

 

[Biggfoot44]

So we're going from "only a stock gun with no improvements" to "multiple guns for self defense while walking down the street". OK...

Multiple Stock Guns .

 

[outrider58]

Multiple Stock Guns .

No ocifer, I ain't lookin for no gun fight. All my guns is stock!

 

[4g64loser]

No ocifer, I ain't lookin for no gun fight. All my guns is stock!

If I was looking for a gun fight, I'd be doing it from a LOT further off, through magnified optics. Haha. Every hundred yards added beyond the 300 line nearly doubles my odds of winning based on what I see at matches and.classes. it helps even more when nobody knows you are there. Just ask all the deer you watch go by.