Price limit on your CCW?

[hogarth]

I hardly consider "Harder! Faster! Harder! Faster!" good coaching...

I assume dist1646 was referencing Woods' (now) ex-wife who nearly brained him with a golf club.

Back on semi-topic, when Woods was "his own" swing coach for a 15 month period in the middle of his career, he won 0 majors.

 

[outrider58]

I assume dist1646 was referencing Woods' (now) ex-wife who nearly brained him with a golf club.

Back on semi-topic, when Woods was "his own" swing coach for a 15 month period in the middle of his career, he won 0 majors.

It was a joke.

 

[MDGunCollector]

I would never carry a collectors piece or something with sentimental value but other than that I wouldn’t be concerned with how much it cost bc the only way I don’t eventually get it back is if I’m locked up & then I have bigger problems.

 

[dist1646]

I hardly consider "Harder! Faster! Harder! Faster!" good coaching...

She probably gave a lot of coaching on his stroke!

 

[outrider58]

She probably gave a lot of coaching on his stroke!

He probably worked on hers too.

 

[gamer_jim]

I know it all comes down to personal preference, but I’m curious what the general consensus is on whether it not you cap the cost of your carry weapon. Some people cite not wanting to potential lose their guns to the evidence locker after a self defense event.

For me, I’m indifferent to cost. I don’t want to limit myself from carrying a great weapon (to me) just because I’m worried I might lose that $1,500. On the other hand, I’d like to carry the weapon I feel most confident and comfortable with.

Thanks for your thoughts!

I stumbled across an excellent carry weapon and didn't see a reason to trade up from there. I originally wanted a Springfield XD subcompact but the dealer was out at the time and showed me a Sig P238 for a few dollars more. I really liked how it felt and I'm glad I made that decision.

The only thing I seem to keep spending money on is holsters.

 

[Shooterguy22]

I concur, also. You can understand the concepts of something exceptionally well but not be able to act on them as well as others. This might be more the case with athletes than shooters, but who knows for sure?

The catch is in the shooting world there are a lot of instructors who don't really understand concepts beyond the most basic level. Or they're just regurgitating info they've never put into practice. In shooting I think, if you understand the concepts you should be able shoot fairly well.

I'm vary skeptical of taking a class from a instructor that can't demonstrate for me what he's asking me to do. He doesn't need to do it perfectly, in fact mistakes are teachable moments. But he should be able to do it with some level of competency. A step above that would be someone who can demo it correctly, then demo it intentionally making the common mistakes so the students can see what that looks like to watch for it in their own shooting.

 

[Bob A]

I picked up a Sig 365 the other day and was pleasantly surprised at how nice it felt. Rather more compact and considerably lighter than my CZ Rami.

Still, I'm not comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol*, so I'll stick with CZ. I've had no issues concealing it, though I concede it's a brick. But 15 rounds, no manual safety, controllable recoil thanks to mass, great ergos.

*P7 PSP would be the exception, but not gonna happen.

 

[Shooterguy22]

I picked up a Sig 365 the other day and was pleasantly surprised at how nice it felt. Rather more compact and considerably lighter than my CZ Rami.

Still, I'm not comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol*, so I'll stick with CZ. I've had no issues concealing it, though I concede it's a brick. But 15 rounds, no manual safety, controllable recoil thanks to mass, great ergos.

*P7 PSP would be the exception, but not gonna happen.

You can get the p365 with a safety, or add one to your existing gun. I have a couple friends that don't like to carry a striker gun but carry p365's with manual safeties.

edit...I reread you're post seeing you don't like safeties either. I'll leave my comment as who knows maybe it helps someone some day but doesn't really help you any lol.

 

[FakeID]

All budgets be dammed! 99+% of us wont have to worry about confiscation and if we do will likely be thankful to be alive and worried about lawyers fees, more so than worried about which tool got taken.
I carried different firearms with several different holsters till i landed on the 365 then built a custom rig... should i include those costs/losses on guns, ammo, and holsters in the cost of my current carry weapon? add training too? licensing fee's? With all the costs associated even a lower MSRP ccw can represent $2000+ easily. I can see why folks would end up on both sides of the discussion.

 

[Bob A]

You can get the p365 with a safety, or add one to your existing gun. I have a couple friends that don't like to carry a striker gun but carry p365's with manual safeties.

edit...I reread you're post seeing you don't like safeties either. I'll leave my comment as who knows maybe it helps someone some day but doesn't really help you any lol.

 

[N83]

The catch is in the shooting world there are a lot of instructors who don't really understand concepts beyond the most basic level. Or they're just regurgitating info they've never put into practice. In shooting I think, if you understand the concepts you should be able shoot fairly well.

I'm vary skeptical of taking a class from a instructor that can't demonstrate for me what he's asking me to do. He doesn't need to do it perfectly, in fact mistakes are teachable moments. But he should be able to do it with some level of competency. A step above that would be someone who can demo it correctly, then demo it intentionally making the common mistakes so the students can see what that looks like to watch for it in their own shooting.

Excellent points.

 

[Biggfoot44]

The catch is in the shooting world there are a lot of instructors who don't really understand concepts

Actually I knew this guy , albeit he DID use it in the real world .

If he didn't learn it in Quantico circa '68 ( USMC Ofc School , then straight to Vietnam) , or Quantico circa '73 ( FBI Academy, then Field Office SWAT qualified . Specialized in Bank Robbers and Interstate Fugitives. Comparatively Street Cop - ish within the context of the FBI ) .

If he didn't learn it there it there it didn't exist . Zero concept of any theory or context of any of it . Zero knowledge of any variants or tweaking for different shooters . " Just " Here , do it like this " , and blank look if any students struggle . No concept of diagnostics or alternatives .

But he personally could shoot great .

I'm vary skeptical of

someone who can demo it correctly,

There are a LOT of instructors who Deliberately, on purpose , never shoot in front of students . ( At least some of them sincerely) because they feel that they know they can shoot far above the level of what they're teaching in that class , they don't want to discourage or intimidate the students , by showing off for ego strokes .

( I'm convinced that Best Practices, ) Have at least one of the staff demonstrate an * Exemplar * .

That's shoot , using the techniques tought to the students , the various Drill / COF , within the pace expected of the students , demonstrating Good Form and Smoothness . Bonus points for being able to do so , using multiple Styles / Stances.

 

[miles71]

Actually I knew this guy , albeit he DID use it in the real world .

If he didn't learn it in Quantico circa '68 ( USMC Ofc School , then straight to Vietnam) , or Quantico circa '73 ( FBI Academy, then Field Office SWAT qualified . Specialized in Bank Robbers and Interstate Fugitives. Comparatively Street Cop - ish within the context of the FBI ) .

If he didn't learn it there it there it didn't exist . Zero concept of any theory or context of any of it . Zero knowledge of any variants or tweaking for different shooters . " Just " Here , do it like this " , and blank look if any students struggle . No concept of diagnostics or alternatives .

But he personally could shoot great .





There are a LOT of instructors who Deliberately, on purpose , never shoot in front of students . ( At least some of them sincerely) because they feel that they know they can shoot far above the level of what they're teaching in that class , they don't want to discourage or intimidate the students , by showing off for ego strokes .

( I'm convinced that Best Practices, ) Have at least one of the staff demonstrate an * Exemplar * .

That's shoot , using the techniques tought to the students , the various Drill / COF , within the pace expected of the students , demonstrating Good Form and Smoothness . Bonus points for being able to do so , using multiple Styles / Stances.

This. I have one person who helps me with courses as an RSO who sometimes wants to demonstrate a bit to much. He is a great guy, very competent, and instructs both military and law enforcement. He also understands when I say we don’t need to shoot as much as the students. I think part of it is the mentality of military/law enforcement which is good for those jobs, but often doesn’t fit with civilians who just want to protect themselves. Appropriate training is the goal.

I don’t often shoot during basic courses like the permit courses unless needed to help a student struggling. I have found that happen very rarely. I’d rather observe and instruct. More advanced courses, it’s sometimes more appropriate.

But what do I know…….. TD

 

[Boats]

A carry gun needs to be a reliable gun upon which you have trained regularly. Fancy triggers, elaborate safeties, extreme tolerances that require excessive oiling or guns that you don't want to get rub marks upon wouldn't be my first option.

A nice simple Glock fits all the needs for me. It's a combat weapon. It should be clean and oiled... but it'll still work even if it's not. They are reliable, they are accurate enough for a pistol. It's inexpensive enough that it can be replaced quite easily if it's ever seized as evidence. They make multiple calibers and multiple frame sizes that all function the same way.

This!

Except, substitute 1911 for Glock, IMHO. I just shoot them better. But not a Colt. And not a bargain basement 1911 either. Springer garrison and RIA come to mind.

 

[Franken7]

Come take one of our classes with your LCP max.

Where are your classes located?

 

[4g64loser]

Where are your classes located?

Private range near Annapolis. Member guncommander is an IP here. He posts his classes in his subforum and is very well reviewed by many members.

 

[Shooterguy22]

There are a LOT of instructors who Deliberately, on purpose , never shoot in front of students . ( At least some of them sincerely) because they feel that they know they can shoot far above the level of what they're teaching in that class , they don't want to discourage or intimidate the students , by showing off for ego strokes .

( I'm convinced that Best Practices, ) Have at least one of the staff demonstrate an * Exemplar * .

That's shoot , using the techniques taught to the students , the various Drill / COF , within the pace expected of the students , demonstrating Good Form and Smoothness . Bonus points for being able to do so , using multiple Styles / Stances.

Yeah, you need to be careful you're not doing it to stroke the ego. And don't turn it into your own practice. If you're really good at what ever it is you need to back off the pace and just do it correctly at the level you are hoping for them to perform.

 

[Franken7]

Private range near Annapolis. Member guncommander is an IP here. He posts his classes in his subforum and is very well reviewed by many members.

Thanks!

 

[pleasant1911]

Actually I knew this guy , albeit he DID use it in the real world .

If he didn't learn it in Quantico circa '68 ( USMC Ofc School , then straight to Vietnam) , or Quantico circa '73 ( FBI Academy, then Field Office SWAT qualified . Specialized in Bank Robbers and Interstate Fugitives. Comparatively Street Cop - ish within the context of the FBI ) .

If he didn't learn it there it there it didn't exist . Zero concept of any theory or context of any of it . Zero knowledge of any variants or tweaking for different shooters . " Just " Here , do it like this " , and blank look if any students struggle . No concept of diagnostics or alternatives .

But he personally could shoot great .





There are a LOT of instructors who Deliberately, on purpose , never shoot in front of students . ( At least some of them sincerely) because they feel that they know they can shoot far above the level of what they're teaching in that class , they don't want to discourage or intimidate the students , by showing off for ego strokes .

( I'm convinced that Best Practices, ) Have at least one of the staff demonstrate an * Exemplar * .

That's shoot , using the techniques tought to the students , the various Drill / COF , within the pace expected of the students , demonstrating Good Form and Smoothness . Bonus points for being able to do so , using multiple Styles / Stances.

That’s the stupid egos of the paying customers. I would rather have an instructor take an off the shelf $500 plastic gun with cheap ammo from the student and hit the bull eye 10x with an inch grouping at 25 yards, then an instructor that wants to make me inclusive. I would be wowed by his skills that I would recommend his class to everyone I know. And would just be captivated and learn his teaching as gold