Police officer dead after being shot in Northeast DC

[babalou]

Yes. That lesson was previously known.

My experience is that lessons learned are shared by those small groups that have national organizations. Bomb Techs share a lot of info because the FBI runs the program for the country. Negotiators seem to share well because a lot of them attend the same training. I think lessons learned at the street level don't get shared nearly so effectively.

that makes perfect sense and probably only occurs when officers have friends in other precincts. Word of mouth.

 

[John from MD]

D.C. officer used metal device to reach gun in drain when it discharged, officials say​

Wayne David was fatally shot when a gun he was trying to retrieve “went off.” Officials say he was trying to reach it with a device used to unlock cars.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/08/29/dc-police-officer-killed-accidental-shooting/

Sounds like he was using a "slim jim" . It was a flat rod with hooked ends that we used to use for opening car doors.

 

[JohnnyE]

...and isn't the most likely place to hook a pistol the trigger guard?

 

[ADR]

Sounds like he was using a "slim jim" . It was a flat rod with hooked ends that we used to use for opening car doors.

Haven't seen one in years, these days most use the Big Easy or similar.

 

[John from MD]

Haven't seen one in years, these days most use the Big Easy or similar.

I haven't broken into a vehicle in many years so I bow to you folks still on the job.

 

[ADR]

I haven't broken into a vehicle in many years so I bow to you folks still on the job.

We would do it at my old department but won't at my new department. (Unless it's one of our vehicles. LOL)

 

[John from MD]

We would do it at my old department but won't at my new department. (Unless it's one of our vehicles. LOL)

One year I was in Oklahoma City with a Joint Task Force. We were using rental cars to get around and to do surveillance. I was watching an aircraft that we had under surveillance when I left the vehicle to check on some movement. I left it running as the temp was in the 20's. When I came back, I tried to open the door and it was locked.

So, I walked all the way to the other side of the airport and got hold of a Sheriffs Deputy and explained my problem. He said no way could he open the door not even for a LEO!

He said a couple of years prior, a woman came in asking for help to open her Mercedes which she had locked the keys in. They opened it and the next day someone flew in and couldn't find their car. The checked the video of the parking lot and found a couple of cops opening up the Mercedes door for the woman "owner".

I wound up having to call AAA who came over and opened the vehicle after verifying it was indeed leased to me.

 

[ADR]

One year I was in Oklahoma City with a Joint Task Force. We were using rental cars to get around and to do surveillance. I was watching an aircraft that we had under surveillance when I left the vehicle to check on some movement. I left it running as the temp was in the 20's. When I came back, I tried to open the door and it was locked.

So, I walked all the way to the other side of the airport and got hold of a Sheriffs Deputy and explained my problem. He said no way could he open the door not even for a LEO!

He said a couple of years prior, a woman came in asking for help to open her Mercedes which she had locked the keys in. They opened it and the next day someone flew in and couldn't find their car. The checked the video of the parking lot and found a couple of cops opening up the Mercedes door for the woman "owner".

I wound up having to call AAA who came over and opened the vehicle after verifying it was indeed leased to me.

We always verified the requesting individual as the owner through a registration check first and wouldn't do it if they didn't match. A lot of spouses would get pissed when they locked the keys in their husband's/wife's car when their name wasn't on the registration. We also got a fair amount of flagged registrations because the owner didn't realize we would check first.

Well, I've got good news and bad news. I can open your vehicle for you but, there's a pick-up order on your tags so you won't be driving it anyway.

 

[John from MD]

We always verified the requesting individual as the owner through a registration check first and wouldn't do it if they didn't match. A lot of spouses would get pissed when they locked the keys in their husband's/wife's car when their name wasn't on the registration. We also got a fair amount of flagged registrations because the owner didn't realize we would check first.

Well, I've got good news and bad news. I can open your vehicle for you but, there's a pick-up order on your tags so you won't be driving it anyway.

 

[Afrikeber]

Regardless of how this happened, sad this guy winds up dead just doing his job.

 

[outrider58]

Regardless of how this happened, sad this guy winds up dead just doing his job.

Had he been a hunter, he might still be alive(assuming he hooked the trigger guard with a tool).

 

[John from MD]

Regardless of how this happened, sad this guy winds up dead just doing his job.

It is, but we all know what could happen when we raise our right hands. He died doing what he dedicated his life to, helping people. I'd rather go out that way than hooked up to some fluids in a nursing home any day.

 

[Afrikeber]

Had he been a hunter, he might still be alive(assuming he hooked the trigger guard with a tool).

Yea, maybe even prior combat arms military.

Last part of any firearm, munition, or explosive I assume is not going to kill me is the triggering device, assume live until YOU prove otherwise.

 

[Afrikeber]

It is, but we all know what could happen when we raise our right hands. He died doing what he dedicated his life to, helping people. I'd rather go out that way than hooked up to some fluids in a nursing home any day.

Been thinking about that more often as I see old friends and family wither away, and sometimes not that gracefully.

 

[BurkeM]

So I was talking to a BCPD friend about this. I'd have thought local PDs would share OE and lessons learned. Not a peep.

Nope. They haven't learned from the way the military and fire service share "lessons learned."

 

[MeatGrinder]

Man connected to DC officer's accidental shooting death arrested

The man accused of dropping a weapon into a storm drain in D.C., leading to the accidental shooting death of Metropolitan Police Department (MPD).

wjla.com

It appears that they caught the initial bad guy.

 

[John from MD]

Man connected to DC officer's accidental shooting death arrested

The man accused of dropping a weapon into a storm drain in D.C., leading to the accidental shooting death of Metropolitan Police Department (MPD).

wjla.com

It appears that they caught the initial bad guy.

Accidental hell! They should at least be able to charge him with Involuntary Manslaughter.