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  • rockstarr

    Major Deplorable
    Feb 25, 2013
    4,593
    The Bolshevik Lands
    I thought with all the rage and all the separate threads on 9mm PCC guns out there, that maybe a compilation thread might be good.

    Everyone could use this thread to post reviews on new sub guns/rifle length PCC, Or ask questions/get advice. Also, help others find aftermarket parts/ let folks know what works well on what :)

    CZ scorpion evo-

    PTR-9

    B&T GHM 9-

    Keltec sub2k

    Grand Power Stribog-

    Just right carbine

    Sig MPX-

    JP ENTERPRISES GMR-15

    Ruger PCC


    Thoughts ? Feel free to add other PCC not listed
     
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    Lucca1

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    Feb 9, 2013
    997
    Behind Enemy Lines
    I thought with all the rage and all the separate threads on 9mm PCC guns out there, that maybe a compilation thread might be good.

    Everyone could use this thread to post reviews on new sub guns/rifle length PCC, Or ask questions/get advice. Also, help others find aftermarket parts/ let folks know what works well on what :)

    CZ scorpion evo-


    B&T GHM 9-


    Grand Power Stribog-


    Sig MPX-


    Thoughts ? Feel free to add other PCC not listed

    The Ruger PCC has become my favorite range toy. Eats anything I feed it, accepts Glock mags, and takedown for easy storage.
     

    Michael S

    Member
    Nov 6, 2012
    273
    Towson
    CZ scorpion is now my favorite, added a sig red dot and it is dead on. Almost like cheating you can not go wrong with them.
     

    Xshot

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    Aug 14, 2013
    1,645
    Pasadena, MD
    The Stribog is pretty cool. I'm in the process of trying to get one ordered. Hard to find though. Everyone who has both that and the Scorpion says they never shoot the Scorpion anymore. Prior to learning about the Stribog I was sold on the Scorpion.
     

    Occam

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    Feb 24, 2018
    15,879
    Montgomery County
    What, no love for that homely PCC platypus, the Sub 2K?

    I actually used mine like I meant it for the first time at a Steel Challenge a few weeks back. It was great. Going to use it again this coming Sunday. It definitely won’t be my last PCC, but for something that folds up into a laptop bag, it’s a remarkably good little gun. It’s a gen 2, multi-mag, currently set up for Beretta mags. Fun.
     

    boss281

    Active Member
    Apr 14, 2012
    1,514
    Carroll County
    I have two Colt AR platform 9mm: an old 6450 and newer 6951. I have used both in PCC competitions. Have a scorpion pistol too that I will use inn PCC divisions when allowed...

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    135sohc

    Active Member
    Oct 27, 2013
    1,039
    For the AR based PCC's you MUST run a fully ramped bolt if using a standard AR trigger or any 'aftermarket' 2 stage trigger meant for the rifle caliber guns/bolts.

    If you use a non ramped bolt you must use a 'dedicated' style hammer. If you put a non ramped bolt and a regular trigger together the results can be interesting..

    CMMG seems to be the only game in town making a reliable fully ramped bolt.
     

    Meditator

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    Dec 9, 2007
    517
    Bethesda MD
    MP-5 clone: PTR-9. Never thought I would be able to own one, until recently got one for a GREAT price...

    Shot like .22lr carbine, no recoil whatsoever.... So far been reliable with Wolf steel-cased ammo.

    Too bad it only came with two mags, but I knew going in that HK mags would be pricey but we only live once (in this life) anyway.
     

    rbird7282

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    Dec 6, 2012
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    What, no love for that homely PCC platypus, the Sub 2K?

    I actually used mine like I meant it for the first time at a Steel Challenge a few weeks back. It was great. Going to use it again this coming Sunday. It definitely won’t be my last PCC, but for something that folds up into a laptop bag, it’s a remarkably good little gun. It’s a gen 2, multi-mag, currently set up for Beretta mags. Fun.



    I’ll be there as well. Don’t have a PCC yet so I’m interested. Trying to decide if I want to build one or go the easy route.


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    cap6888

    Active Member
    Oct 2, 2011
    2,353
    Howard County
    CZ Scorpion EVO. Bought a pistol way back and SBR'd it. It is dead on balls accurate out of the box with irons. I don't even have a scope on mine. It is a sweet shooter. Probably one of my favorites.
     

    jimbobborg

    Oddball caliber fan
    Aug 2, 2010
    16,992
    Northern Virginia
    One with a CMMG lower, one with a Spike's lower. Neither are reliable. Ruger PCC is awesome, not 100% reliable if you don't clean it once in a while. CZ Scorpion Evo S that I just got, went through 30 rounds yesterday. Four new mags, a PDW brace, and new magazine release came today. I'll be running it with the new mags and see if it will work well enough for the Steel Challenge on Sunday. Maybe pick up some speed over the ARs and Ruger. I need a red dot for it.
     

    rockstarr

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    Feb 25, 2013
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    The Bolshevik Lands
    CZ Scorpion EVO. Bought a pistol way back and SBR'd it. It is dead on balls accurate out of the box with irons. I don't even have a scope on mine. It is a sweet shooter. Probably one of my favorites.

    How did you get it to 29 inch over all length? I have the rifle version and probably went the wrong route. Should have went with braces pistol and it’s probably more of a pita to sbr the rifle.

    Would be nice if a aftermarket place made like a 10-11 inch barrel as opposed to just the 2 lengths cz offers. ( pistol or rifle length ).

    Love my scorpion though. Super accurate, and fun to shoot, thought not right out of the box imo. Needs something done about the safety, mag release , trigger before even bothering to shoot it.

    The factory trigger was like a 9 point pull and goodness was the ambi safety awful.

    I put an HB industries trigger spring kit, extended polymer charging handle, duckbill magazine release and right hand side safety delete on mine.

    Topped with a sig Romeo 5 red dot and it shoots wonderful.

    My only problem is I go through 9mm with it like I do a .22.
     

    erwos

    The Hebrew Hammer
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    Mar 25, 2009
    12,984
    Rockville, MD
    I have a bunch:
    1. Pre-ban AR-9 SBR with a parts upper with a VMH Uzi magwell. It currently has the Hera stock/forearm set, but I will be moving in a different direction in 2020 or 2021 - perhaps an ultra-short CMMG MkG Banshee 300 setup using Endomags.
    2. Post-ban AR-9 SBR with a PSA upper and FM9 BCG on a DDLES Glock mag lower. Took a while to get it reliable, but it seems to be there now. This one is set up as a USPSA PCC, and has an Eotech SU-231 on it.
    3. Post-ban NiteScout A3 SBR with an ACS-L stock. I put an ASR single port brake on it recently, so curious as to how it does suppressed.
    4. Post-ban SW SP-10 SBR with a B&T folding stock and a welded-on 3 lug brake. This one is the smoothest shooter (roller-locked!), but has huge PoI shift with a can, unfortunately.
    5. M11/9 SMG with Lage MAX-11K upper. I don't shoot this much, but it's fun when I do. Also put an ASR brake on it, but haven't shot it suppressed yet.
    6. Pre-ban Glock 17/34 SBR w/ KPOS Gen2 chassis. This one is also a smooth shooter, but has never seemed all that accurate to me, plus it doesn't play well with suppressors. Might replace it with the USW chassis if I see a really good deal.
    7. Pre-ban Uzi SBR (not FA). Nostalgia piece, but it runs good.

    I will say that I am really unhappy that the OAL limits have prevented me from getting some of the more interesting post-ban SBRs, like the P320 chassis system. If FCU ever comes out with their 5.56 chassis for that gun, I might build a compliant setup on that and then temporarily swap it to the under-OAL chassis when in VA.

    I had a Sub-2k, but sold it; it wasn't a horrible gun, but it didn't really do anything for me.
     

    jimbobborg

    Oddball caliber fan
    Aug 2, 2010
    16,992
    Northern Virginia
    Picture sans foot. With the brace fully extended it's 28" long, fully closed 20".
     

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    teratos

    My hair is amazing
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    Jan 22, 2009
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    Bel Air
    PTR-9
    CMMG Guard


    Delayed blowback is a game changer for PCCs. I would not even consider getting a direct blowback at this point.
     

    erwos

    The Hebrew Hammer
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    Mar 25, 2009
    12,984
    Rockville, MD
    Delayed blowback is a game changer for PCCs. I would not even consider getting a direct blowback at this point.
    Completely agree. I think the MPX is the best of the bunch, but the MkG is a pretty close second. The PTR-9 is good, but I cannot get past the marginal placement of the safety, and the lack of LRBHO isn't optimal either. The Magpul SL grip module might make me more of a fan if that ever comes out... we'll see.
     

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