NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[press1280]

I'm not sure the flood gates will burst open with people wanting training and applying. I think Maryland has been beaten up for a long time about it and the majority don't think about it. I do think the people who pay attention to this sort of thing will jump on the chance and then encourage others.

That being said I think it is a good idea to get the training since it's good for a few years and should be filled with good info. I wish we could have a thread or sticky where instructors could post their info so everyone interested could see The Who where how much etc. for instructors in their area.

TD

The training requirements of MD alone will depress applications

 

[Mark75H]

The training requirements of MD alone will depress applications

True, but not the affluent, only the poor.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

I am an instructor here in Texas. I have already taught about 30 people. All who travel between Texas and Maryland for business reasons. Several who work in Washington DC for Texas Representatives, Senators but live in Maryland when congress is in session etc. Many of which have been denied once. All are waiting for NYSPRA and MSI cases to be settled before applying again.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

$250 x 50 states would be $12,500. Even if each of the classes were good for 3 or 4 states, that’s just too much to exercise a right. Most won’t get all 50 even if that becomes an option, but to carry in several normally visited states it could very easily go over $1000 to do so, even after this SCOTUS ruling. Imagine if this were applied to any other constitutional activity.

Again, no issue with the trainers or their fees. It should be criminal that it was left to get this out of hand with the fees and other burdens.

I charge $300 for 16 hours of one on one training of illinois or Maryland here in Texas

I charge $150 for Texas or Utah one on one but $75 in a class of 20 which is easy here in Texas

Sadly Texas classes must be taught within the state. However that should change in 2023

 

[Texasgrillchef]

The 16 hr training requirement may deter some but it wont deter most.

Illinois has a 16 hr requirement and it hasnt deterred very many people at all. Even for out of state applicants.

Illinois even charges $150 application fee for residents and $300 for non-residents.

They have received and are still receiving enough applications that it takes 4-5 months to get approved without fingerprints and 3-4 months if you do submit fingerprints.

Maryland, because they have zero reciprocity will get a ton of out of state applicants. Mostly for those who live out of state and travel to see relatives who live in maryland. As well as those who travel to Maryland for business purposes but do not own a business inside Maryland to get the exemption.

If 16 hours of training is a deterrant to getting a permit, maybe you shouldn't really carry.

Even though i live in Texas a constitutional carry state. I STILL teach NRA firearms classes to many who wish to carry under CC. Responsible adults who want to be safe. All of my classes are always full.

While I do support every state having CC. I still support everyone needing training.

 

[teratos]

The 16 hr training requirement may deter some but it wont deter most.

Illinois has a 16 hr requirement and it hasnt deterred very many people at all. Even for out of state applicants.

Illinois even charges $150 application fee for residents and $300 for non-residents.

They have received and are still receiving enough applications that it takes 4-5 months to get approved without fingerprints and 3-4 months if you do submit fingerprints.

Maryland, because they have zero reciprocity will get a ton of out of state applicants. Mostly for those who live out of state and travel to see relatives who live in maryland. As well as those who travel to Maryland for business purposes but do not own a business inside Maryland to get the exemption.

If 16 hours of training is a deterrant to getting a permit, maybe you shouldn't really carry.

Even though i live in Texas a constitutional carry state. I STILL teach NRA firearms classes to many who wish to carry under CC. Responsible adults who want to be safe. All of my classes are always full.

While I do support every state having CC. I still support everyone needing training.

What about inner city women who use the bus service? We have a few employees in my office who fit the bill. I’m quite sure they can’t afford an HQL, a wear and carry class, application, livescan x2, photos, AND a gun.

 

[Mark75H]

What about inner city women who use the bus service? We have a few employees in my office who fit the bill. I’m quite sure they can’t afford an HQL, a wear and carry class, application, livescan x2, photos, AND a gun.

And 200 rounds of ammo for the class

 

[redsandman6]

What about inner city women who use the bus service? We have a few employees in my office who fit the bill. I’m quite sure they can’t afford an HQL, a wear and carry class, application, livescan x2, photos, AND a gun.

And 200 rounds of ammo for the

i agree with you and this is common sense that the process should be easier and affordable. but the democrats don't care about any of that and they never will that's why we have to fight in court and donate to the organizations that fight for us

 

[Abuck]

What about inner city women who use the bus service? We have a few employees in my office who fit the bill. I’m quite sure they can’t afford an HQL, a wear and carry class, application, livescan x2, photos, AND a gun.

Hopefully this is one way ahead in the future to reduce the burden. It’s the very definition of class warfare, and a form of discrimination.

The 16 hr training requirement may deter some but it wont deter most.

While I do support every state having CC. I still support everyone needing training.

Mandatory training should be limited to one 8 hour session, maximum. Someone shouldn’t also need a hotel room on top of that cost. I could foresee more games from a few select states, such as 40 hours mandatory, every year, with the training sessions costs going up accordingly. Then they can claim those aren’t state fees.

 

[Mark75H]

Hawaii has already gone to 6 month training renewal

 

[delaware_export]

if this works out as pro2a folks hope, this is merely the first shot in the passive resistance. Huge app fees; short license periods; long processing turnaround times; frequent, high cost training; etc. IF 2a mandates shall issue, the next hundred lawsuits to be filed, should see damages, if possible.

ok, maybe not so passive.

Hawaii has already gone to 6 month training renewal

 

[Abuck]

If 16 hours of training is a deterrant to getting a permit, maybe you shouldn't really carry.

Strongly disagree.

I’m not keen on making a fundamental right so burdensome. If minimal training gets us closer to being able to exercising our right of self defense, I’ll grumble a bit and do it.

Here in PA there is no training requirement. We seem to manage fine with the LTCF process, for the most part. There are a lot of people carrying in PA.

Thanks for helping those that need it receive the training.

 

[rbird7282]

Hopefully this is one way ahead in the future to reduce the burden. It’s the very definition of class warfare, and a form of discrimination.


Mandatory training should be limited to one 8 hour session, maximum. Someone shouldn’t also need a hotel room on top of that cost. I could foresee more games from a few select states, such as 40 hours mandatory, every year, with the training sessions costs going up accordingly. Then they can claim those aren’t state fees.

Mandatory training should be nonexistent


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[Abuck]

Mandatory training should be nonexistent


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Strongly agree.

That works for us in PA.

 

[motorcoachdoug]

Ditto here as I am also in Monkey County in the Silver Spring/Aspen Hill area and not that from from Yuppyville Takoma Park but then again Silver Spring does have 12 zip codes .
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[camo556]

T- 3 hours to the apocalypse.

 

[teratos]

T- 3 hours to the apocalypse.

I bet your balls are gonna be blue...

 

[Kharn]

T- 3 hours to the apocalypse.

Until you wait a month...

 

[redsandman6]

Mandatory training should be nonexistent


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Strongly agree.

That works for us in PA.

I agree as well, in 25 states there is no training requirement for constitutional carry.

 

[camo556]

I bet your balls are gonna be blue...

Thomas' opinion will be worth waiting for.