NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[Inigoes]

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Opinions are like sphincters, everybody got one!

 

[teratos]

Opinions are like sphincters, everybody got one!

I know a guy…

 

[Decoy]

Every day is an opinion day on this forum.

 

[DanGuy48]

I know a guy…

LOL

 

[eruby]

Hey, careful man, there's a beverage here.

 

[lazarus]

I think it’ll be like Delaware tried with state parks … all are off limits. delSC finally overruled and said only minimal / specific restrictions, not the whole of every park.

nyc and other big cities will probably go so far as to say no. On any mass transit. Then go with years of litigation through the same courts that got us to this point.

they’ve said as much, for their plans of resistance.

in any place, where two or more people gather…

Hopefully that happens with Maryland too. Can't carry on state lands unless you are hunting, or the action is open and unloaded or cased.

 

[Stoveman]

Lol. I can’t imagine the metro can be off limits. People have a right to defend themselves on either end of the metro. They have a right to defend themselves on the metro.

Once carry is established as a right, many arguments are invalidated.

Metro in DC is a GFZ.

 

[DC-W]

Metro in DC is a GFZ.

Yupperdo. Also MTA-administered vehicles and places in MD. Can't even transport unloaded and secured firearms.

 

[Nobody]

I should not be restricted from having a legal item in my possession based on a place I am allowed to be. I agree with gun free zones in as much as they should be secure to not allow any guns in and have armed security.

I should be allowed in any .gov building in areasthat the general public can go. If i have to go in a secure area i am ok with surrendering my fire arm, i don't like it but if they prevent everyone from carrying with security and armed personnel i guess i would live with it.

Places should be required to have storage for fire arms like PA does so you don't have to leave it in your car

Nobody

 

[teratos]

Metro in DC is a GFZ.

Oh, not saying they haven’t done it. I think it’s going to be very difficult to prohibit once it is established as an individual right.

 

[Boxcab]

I'm most concerned about how they will write about special places (metro, stadiums, etc). Hopefully they write stricter and not looser. MD would love them to be vague.

Strict Scrutiny is what you are looking for.

No need to be specific other then that.




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[Boxcab]

Opinions are like sphincters, everybody got one!

From Wiki, so verify on your own...

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There are over 40 different sphincters in the human body; some of these sphincters are microscopic in size. Many sphincters are used every day in the normal course of digestion."



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[Inigoes]

From Wiki, so verify on your own...

"How many sphincters do we have in the human body?

There are over 40 different sphincters in the human body; some of these sphincters are microscopic in size. Many sphincters are used every day in the normal course of digestion."



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That's great!

I can have more opinions!!!

 

[DC-W]

Strict Scrutiny is what you are looking for.

No need to be specific other then that.




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I always caution with what the 5th Circuit did in Mance v. Barr, where they applied strict scrutiny and still decided an infringement isn’t an infringement.

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[Allen65]

I always caution with what the 5th Circuit did in Mance v. Barr, where they applied strict scrutiny and still decided an infringement isn’t an infringement.

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That's why some of us are still pessimistic. We've seen how philosophically anti-2A lower courts have twisted Scalia's "the right is not unlimited" language in Heller to mean "the authority to regulate the right is essentially unlimited as long as public safety is the stated intent".

And then those courts completely defer to State assertions that a particular law will improve public safety without demanding any evidence other than the State's word. The shining example of this was the District Court decision against MSI's lawsuit against FSA2013. The judge simply accepted MD's assertions without question. I remember reading her decision and wondering why she even bothered to show up for court, because the decision was clearly made before any evidence was presented.

 

[Muleskinner]

That's why some of us are still pessimistic. We've seen how philosophically anti-2A lower courts have twisted Scalia's "the right is not unlimited" language in Heller to mean "the authority to regulate the right is essentially unlimited as long as public safety is the stated intent". And then those courts completely defer to State assertions that a particular law will affect public safety without demanding any evidence other than the State's word. The shining example of this was the District Court decision against MSI's lawsuit against FSA2013. The judge simply accepted MD's assertions without question.

If you go back and look at the history of the supreme Court's rulings on second amendment cases you'll find that the court either refused to hear the case or rule against the Constitution more than twice as often as they ruled for it. No one should be optimistic about this and if it happens to fall in our favor then it's a happy surprise.

But in this case even if the court does rule in favor of the Constitution you can bet your butt that states that heavily infringe like Maryland will pass heavily regulated rules for those who apply for a concealed weapon permit. I'm told that some of that has already been discussed like requiring retraining yearly or twice a year at the permit holders expense and time. They will try to make it so expensive and time consuming that most people won't bother with it. I suspect they're also going to implement some sort of bond or insurance requirement that will be cost prohibitive as well.

 

[Mark75H]

If the state constitution prohibited senators and delegates from running for reelection if they sponsored laws that were later declared unconstitutional we wouldn’t have very much of this crap

 

[FrankZ]

From Wiki, so verify on your own...

"How many sphincters do we have in the human body?

There are over 40 different sphincters in the human body; some of these sphincters are microscopic in size. Many sphincters are used every day in the normal course of digestion."



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This might be one of my all time favorite posts on the entire internet.

 

[jbrown50]

Metro in DC is a GFZ.

Wife considered us taking the metro to Virginia to attend an event
Me: No, metro is a disarmed victim zone
Her: What's that?
Me: Citizens aren't allowed to have the means to defend themselves against a criminal attack
Her: Oh, hell no. We'll drive.
Me:

 

[pcfixer]

Every day is an opinion day on this forum.

Yea, I know "Opinion day is like ***hole's, everyone has one"