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  • somoss

    Silver Spring
    Feb 18, 2006
    376
    For those new to daily carrying:
    How long before you get comfortable with having ni manual safety like the sig p365 or glock?
    I have a full size handgun now with a manual safety and looking at smaller carry guns.
     

    smokey

    2A TEACHER
    Jan 31, 2008
    29,390
    How comfortable would you be carrying a double action revolver? Same rules apply. If it's in a good holster, it's safe. If you're looking for more peace of mind, you can always yank your holster, insert the gun, and then put the holster on. If you carry 3 oclock, simply hip out so the muzzle is pointing a foot or so away from your leg and towards the ground next to you as you holster. If you carry appendix, you can step back with your dominant side leg and cant the muzzle away from your wangus as you holster to point the muzzle at the ground out in front of you as you holster.

    If you're really unsure about the safety, you can yank a bullet from a carry load so that it is just primed brass. Chamber that primed brass and carry around the house for a while with your carry setup. If you hear a pop, that's a bad sign and you need to re-evaluate your carry setup. Intentional holstering into a quality holster eliminates 99.9% of the risks of a ND with or without a manual safety.
     
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    E.Shell

    Active Member
    Feb 5, 2007
    9,043
    The right side of the grass.
    SIG makes the 365 with a manual safety.
    Yup, get one with a safety or retro-fit.
    How comfortable would you be carrying a double action revolver? Same rules apply. If it's in a good holster, it's safe. If you're looking for more peace of mind, you can always yank your holster, insert the gun, and then put the holster on. If you carry 3 oclock, simply hip out so the muzzle is pointing a foot or so away from your leg and towards the ground next to you as you holster. If you carry appendix, you can step back with your dominant side leg and cant the muzzle away from your wangus as you holster to point the muzzle at the ground out in front of you as you holster.

    If you're really unsure about the safety, you can yank a bullet from a carry load so that it is just primed brass. Chamber that primed brass and carry around the house for a while with your carry setup. If you hear a pop, that's a bad sign and you need to re-evaluate your carry setup. Intentional holstering into a quality holster eliminates 99.9% of the risks of a ND with or without a manual safety.
    ^^ This ^^

    I'm comfortable carrying my P365 or P365X w/o safeties and do so daily.

    At first, I was a little nervous, especially with holstering. These striker-fired guns are much easier to fire than a DA revolver, but the principle is the same. Pay attention, take your time and be careful. The main danger is in holstering the gun, and that probably ranks a close second to unloading/loading - the less you play with it, the safer you'll be.

    When I bought the Sigs, they came w/o safeties. I got a spare grip module with a safety cutout and a manual safety kit (safety lever, spring & detent), and installed it on one of them. Carried that way for a week or two and decided I preferred it w/o the safety, so I removed it.

    I am mainly carrying IWB or AIWB. I remove the gun and holster together at night and put them on together in the morning, so there is no reholstering needed while I am wearing the holster, which helps my comfort level. No kids in the house, so the pistol sits loaded in its holster when not being carried. The few times I have placed the loaded pistol back in the holster while wearing it, I have been extremely careful to make sure everything is clear.
     

    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
    41,268
    Glen Burnie
    Best thing about a safety, is that you do not have to use it. And NO, it's not going to engage when you draw the pistol.
     

    RFBfromDE

    W&C MD, UT, PA
    Aug 21, 2022
    2,252
    The Land of Pleasant Living
    Or, carry a j-frame style revolver.

    At first, I was a little nervous, especially with holstering. These striker-fired guns are much easier to fire than a DA revolver, but the principle is the same. Pay attention, take your time and be careful. The main danger is in holstering the gun, and that probably ranks a close second to unloading/loading - the less you play with it, the safer you'll be.
     

    davsco

    Active Member
    Oct 21, 2010
    8,217
    Loudoun, VA
    thousands and thousands (and more thousands) compete with glocks and similar guns with no external safeties and holster and draw with zero issues. just make sure you "look" the gun into your holster, no clothing or drawstrings (or your finger...) in the way that could actuate the trigger.
     

    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
    41,268
    Glen Burnie
    True. A lot of P365 users engage the safety to reholster, then flip it off for carry once the gun is safely holstered.
    Yeah probably not the best idea. Don't add any more steps to your drawing/holstering ritual. It makes zero sense to try and satisfy a security concern holstering when looking into the holster is fine. The pistol is completely safe when holstered.
    These scared, incompetent gun carriers are a danger to themselves and those around them.
     

    somoss

    Silver Spring
    Feb 18, 2006
    376
    How comfortable would you be carrying a double action revolver? Same rules apply. If it's in a good holster, it's safe. If you're looking for more peace of mind, you can always yank your holster, insert the gun, and then put the holster on. If you carry 3 oclock, simply hip out so the muzzle is pointing a foot or so away from your leg and towards the ground next to you as you holster. If you carry appendix, you can step back with your dominant side leg and cant the muzzle away from your wangus as you holster to point the muzzle at the ground out in front of you as you holster.

    If you're really unsure about the safety, you can yank a bullet from a carry load so that it is just primed brass. Chamber that primed brass and carry around the house for a while with your carry setup. If you hear a pop, that's a bad sign and you need to re-evaluate your carry setup. Intentional holstering into a quality holster eliminates 99.9% of the risks of a ND with or without a manual safety.
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    How comfortable would you be carrying a double action revolver? Same rules apply. If it's in a good holster, it's safe. If you're looking for more peace of mind, you can always yank your holster, insert the gun, and then put the holster on. If you carry 3 oclock, simply hip out so the muzzle is pointing a foot or so away from your leg and towards the ground next to you as you holster. If you carry appendix, you can step back with your dominant side leg and cant the muzzle away from your wangus as you holster to point the muzzle at the ground out in front of you as you holster.

    If you're really unsure about the safety, you can yank a bullet from a carry load so that it is just primed brass. Chamber that primed brass and carry around the house for a while with your carry setup. If you hear a pop, that's a bad sign and you need to re-evaluate your carry setup. Intentional holstering into a quality holster eliminates 99.9% of the risks of a ND with or without a manual safety.
    thanks to all for their thoughts.
     

    PapiBarcelona

    Active Member
    Jan 1, 2011
    7,125
    Anxiety issues over daily activities of like walking around, bending over, sitting down? For me? Maybe it lasted like 1-2 seconds at first

    I don't know what other people's shtick is, but my routine is the gun is left in the holster and taken on and off at home as a completed assembly.

    I might rotate between tenicor and soft leather IWB but other than a quick weekday shooting session at the club in Delta , Im not constantly holstering and reholstering over and over again if that's also a problem for you

    I have some casual shooting friends that are afraid of loaded firearms, the only time a gun is loaded is at the range type. Their eyes open bigger, blood pressure spikes when they see you have one in the chamber and on your person type.
     

    Slhaney

    Junior Member
    Sep 8, 2019
    73
    Street, MD
    There really is no reason for an ND when holstering your firearm with or without a manual safety. Just pay attention to what you are doing and watch your gun as you return it to the holster. You may need to draw in a hurry in a defensive situation but when reholstering, the threat has subsided and there is no rush.
     

    rbird7282

    Active Member
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 6, 2012
    15,530
    Comfortable almost immediately. I’d much rather not have a manual safety, it’s one less thing to deal with if you ever have to draw and use your firearm.


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    Bob A

    Active Member
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    25,038
    I'm happy with a CZ DA hammer gun with a decocker. A bit on the heavy side, perhaps. I was surprised that I felt comfortable (mentally) carrying. I'll have to move from a pancake to something IWB if Monkey County doesn't get slapped with a TRO soon. OC was fun while it lasted.
     

    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
    41,268
    Glen Burnie
    Is it enough of a ledge to ride when shooting?
    It's minimal. And your thumb shouldn't engage it.
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    JohnnyE

    Active Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 18, 2013
    5,514
    MoCo
    The quality of my holster gave me instant confidence to carry my Glock with one in the pipe. The Glock fit snugly and the trigger was covered.
     

    vripley

    Junior Member
    Oct 12, 2022
    19
    Frederick County
    For those new to daily carrying:
    How long before you get comfortable with having ni manual safety like the sig p365 or glock?
    I have a full size handgun now with a manual safety and looking at smaller carry guns.

    I have the Sig P365 with a safety and carried it "safe" for about four days. Daily dryfire training made me dissatisfied with safety, so I started carrying it ready-to-fire and haven't looked back. Firearms these days will not fire unless you pull the trigger. Just do dryfire work on draw and re-holster using an unloaded (double check) weapon. Make sure you never snag clothes or anything on a re-holster. And, re-holster slow and methodical making sure to be meticulous. No need to have a fast re-holster, just a safe one.
     

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