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  • alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    No hellacious first/second or third round pop on mine. I have shot both of my cans extensively, side by side on 10/22 style rifles. But hey what do I know.
    Have you tried it on handguns? Not saying it doesn't work, good to know it doesn't have a bad FRP, pretty much every rifle can I have used on 22 handguns was pretty bad. I think the main difference is there isn't flame to ignite the air on rifle barrels, and the gas is much slower so baffles trap it easier. Where my 22 cans sound pretty close to the same on a rifle or pistol, using a rifle or pistol can on 22s has a huge difference between the 2 barrel lengths.
     

    trickg

    Guns 'n Drums
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 22, 2008
    14,598
    Glen Burnie
    Get a .30 cal whatever flavor you like. I prefer direct thread but the QD mounting options are nice as well.
    It's interesting you should say that. I went prairie dog shooting with a friend in Nebraska last October and he had a 30 caliber suppressor on a .223 bolt gun, and it was surprising how much that attenuated the sound. His thought was that if he got the 30 caliber can, he could use it on any rifle he built up to 30 caliber with the idea that it may not be as effective as a caliber specific suppressor, but it would still work to a certain degree.
     

    Bafflingbs

    Gozer the Destroyer
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 16, 2013
    4,579
    Calvert County
    I’d like to know how a Rugged Alaskan 360ti or the all steel version, sounds, on an AR. I have a 16”, an 18” and this Friday, an 11.5”…
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    Hibs

    Active Member
    Dec 23, 2015
    965
    Maryland
    Have you tried it on handguns? Not saying it doesn't work, good to know it doesn't have a bad FRP, pretty much every rifle can I have used on 22 handguns was pretty bad. I think the main difference is there isn't flame to ignite the air on rifle barrels, and the gas is much slower so baffles trap it easier. Where my 22 cans sound pretty close to the same on a rifle or pistol, using a rifle or pistol can on 22s has a huge difference between the 2 barrel lengths.
    I have not used it on my 22 handguns. Perhaps that is where the biggest difference lies. You now have my curiosity peaked and I will be trying it on my next outing.
     

    Bountied

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 6, 2012
    6,905
    Pasadena
    It's interesting you should say that. I went prairie dog shooting with a friend in Nebraska last October and he had a 30 caliber suppressor on a .223 bolt gun, and it was surprising how much that attenuated the sound. His thought was that if he got the 30 caliber can, he could use it on any rifle he built up to 30 caliber with the idea that it may not be as effective as a caliber specific suppressor, but it would still work to a certain degree.
    You'll always regret not getting a larger than what you think you need caliber suppressor. A 30 cal can will work on anything smaller than .30. I got a .45 cal can because I can shoot 9mm and 300BLK with it as well as 45. If I got the 9mm version I would be limited or need to buy another can for 45. That's just my take on it. I would say If I could only get 3 cans it would be a .45, .30, and a .22. That covers a lot of hosts.
     

    frozencesium

    BBQ Czar
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 5, 2008
    3,430
    Tampa, FL
    I have one of these:


    Full auto rated (so just fine for semi-auto), self serviceable, quick detach, multi-caliber, light-weight titanium, and I get many comments about how quiet it is on the range.

    I'm thinking about getting one of these started since I want a .338 Lapua Mag rifle for distance shooting (the club I belong to has a 2000yd range...so my .308 rifles don't quite do it).

     

    Bountied

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 6, 2012
    6,905
    Pasadena
    I have one of these:


    Full auto rated (so just fine for semi-auto), self serviceable, quick detach, multi-caliber, light-weight titanium, and I get many comments about how quiet it is on the range.

    I'm thinking about getting one of these started since I want a .338 Lapua Mag rifle for distance shooting (the club I belong to has a 2000yd range...so my .308 rifles don't quite do it).

    My dad has a Banish 30 it's super quiet with 300blk subs.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,736
    Socialist State of Maryland
    They are awesome, huge variety of styles, and never had a problem with any of mine. Snug them up, then they tighten as it heats, then loosens after it cools, 90% of the issues are trying to take off a hot can, and finding it really tight as it is designed to do. One thing I don't like about the Dual loc is that like the ASR, you have to turn the collar to lock/unlock it, and pull it up in the DL's case, so won't work with tucked cans, for that reason IMO keymo is still king of the locking QD mounts.

    I did see some info from Evan Green about a locking system they patented before Dual loc-came out. Basically tighten the can, and push inward to retract lock fingers behind the taper flange, let it gfo when snug, and it locked, then push in to retract the lock, turn to unthread the can. Would have been awesome, no need to access the ring to lock/unlock, secure, simple, and backwards compatible with taper mounts. Griffin loves to suddenly create "gen 2" models usually while people are waiting on their now inferior gen 2s to clear NFA jail, so I'm hesitant to spend a bunch swapping taper mounts to dual lok when they might end up coming out with something better.
    Call them. They are easy to talk to and will give you the skinny on what's changing and what isn't.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,736
    Socialist State of Maryland
    I have one of these:


    Full auto rated (so just fine for semi-auto), self serviceable, quick detach, multi-caliber, light-weight titanium, and I get many comments about how quiet it is on the range.

    I'm thinking about getting one of these started since I want a .338 Lapua Mag rifle for distance shooting (the club I belong to has a 2000yd range...so my .308 rifles don't quite do it).

    You hit the lottery at one time didn't you. :rolleyes:
     

    FreedomLuvr

    Active Member
    Mar 21, 2010
    211
    Balt. Co.
    Awesome can, it does work on a 22, but the difference is far from negligable. It's good on a 22 rifle, but quite a bit louder than a dedicated 22 can on handguns. Even so, it's awesome on rifle calibers, really similar to the bushwacker 36, but the Bushwacker has a modular mount and 9mm bore, but sounds about the same as the Paladin.


    I love Griffin, most of the newer cans are very similar, but have slight differences being they were allegedly designed for specific units or agencies. I love the taper mount, have at least a dozen hosts equipped with taper mounts, really wish the dual lock was backwards compatible with it. The dual lock has the taper in front of the threads, taper mount is behind, and different threading, so they are not compatible at all. You can swap the dual lock or plan A(taper mount) on the modular mount Explorr though. Supposedly they had a design that locked on the back of the tapered flange, but couldn't get it to work quite right. I have an older Explorr 30, and love it, would like a low-BP verision if they make the dual lock 7 design with a taper mount. I know they changed the DL7 design mid production, some have a fixed dual lock mounts, some have a modular DL mount and 1.375x24 threads, and can be swapped for a plan A, but not sure how far they got in production( I would have to order it site unseen), and not sure if it's worth a grand for a DL can then another $100 for a plan A vs just getting a newer explorr and saving a couple hundred.
    Actually I talked to them today. The Dual-lok is "kinda" backwards compatible. I just threw an explorr 300 on the pile. They said the taper is the same and will interface onto the Dual-lok taper. It just doesn't have the secondary retention system (which I'm ok with). For 9oz and all around above par performance and full auto rated I'm in for 1.
     

    frozencesium

    BBQ Czar
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 5, 2008
    3,430
    Tampa, FL
    You hit the lottery at one time didn't you. :rolleyes:
    Nope, just work hard.

    That said, that's one reason I like the Banish 30 Gold package. 1 Suppressor will take care of pretty much all your rifle needs and has all the features you could want. Yes, they are spendy, but you get what you pay for. Since the OP is only looking to get one can, it's a pretty solid choice in my opinion. I also liked that Silencer Central includes a NFA trust at no cost if that's the route you want to go. The process was easy and I liked that the can was eventually shipped to my door, signature required.

    Oh, and my package also included a thermal cover for the can to reduce heat mirage in the sights. For those that don't know, cans get HOT during use.
     

    Bountied

    Ultimate Member
    Apr 6, 2012
    6,905
    Pasadena
    Nope, just work hard.

    That said, that's one reason I like the Banish 30 Gold package. 1 Suppressor will take care of pretty much all your rifle needs and has all the features you could want. Yes, they are spendy, but you get what you pay for. Since the OP is only looking to get one can, it's a pretty solid choice in my opinion. I also liked that Silencer Central includes a NFA trust at no cost if that's the route you want to go. The process was easy and I liked that the can was eventually shipped to my door, signature required.

    Oh, and my package also included a thermal cover for the can to reduce heat mirage in the sights. For those that don't know, cans get HOT during use.
    I agree, one can that is $1699 vs 3 cans at $900 (.223) + $900 (.30) + $500 (.22) = $2300. One can to tame them all is better IMO.
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    Actually I talked to them today. The Dual-lok is "kinda" backwards compatible. I just threw an explorr 300 on the pile. They said the taper is the same and will interface onto the Dual-lok taper. It just doesn't have the secondary retention system (which I'm ok with). For 9oz and all around above par performance and full auto rated I'm in for 1.
    No idea how that can be. The Dual Lok has square ACME threads in a different pitch and diameter than the Taper mount's V-threads. The dual lok has the locating taper in front of the threads, Taper mount has it behind the threads. The Dual lok is very similar in design to the SiCo ASR, but instead of turning a collar to allow the spring to engage/disengage the locking teeth, the Dual-lok turns to allow the collar to slide down onto them. The Dual lock and ASR might be able to interchange, but I doubt the DL and taper mount will, but I don't have a dual-lok to test that out. Either way, would rather use the right adapter when the cost of getting it wrong is damaging a $1000 can that takes a year to get.

    taper mount, dual lok and ASR pics for comparison
     

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    FrankZ

    Liberty = Responsibility
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 25, 2012
    3,335
    Nope, just work hard.

    That said, that's one reason I like the Banish 30 Gold package. 1 Suppressor will take care of pretty much all your rifle needs and has all the features you could want. Yes, they are spendy, but you get what you pay for. Since the OP is only looking to get one can, it's a pretty solid choice in my opinion. I also liked that Silencer Central includes a NFA trust at no cost if that's the route you want to go. The process was easy and I liked that the can was eventually shipped to my door, signature required.

    Oh, and my package also included a thermal cover for the can to reduce heat mirage in the sights. For those that don't know, cans get HOT during use.
    I'm kinda digging this option. Not sure it will be the choice but so far it feels good to me.

    Do I need to make modifications to the rifle for this one, other than their muzzle device?
     

    frozencesium

    BBQ Czar
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 5, 2008
    3,430
    Tampa, FL
    I'm kinda digging this option. Not sure it will be the choice but so far it feels good to me.

    Do I need to make modifications to the rifle for this one, other than their muzzle device?
    Negatory sir. As long as you have a threaded barrel, you're good. They sell a variety of breaks in various thread pitches to allow the can to move from rifle to rifle...even your LH thread AKs.

    That said, with ANY semi-auto rifle + can (it doesn't matter which can), it is possible for your rifle to be over-gassed. This is what they're talking about having an adjustable gas block for. That said, my ARs haven't required required adjustment. I don't have any issues suppressed or unsuppressed and my brass kicks out either at 3'oclock like it should, or slightly short strokes at 3:30...but it's nothing I'm concerned with. I haven't had any reliability issues. Your milage may vary depending on your barrel, barrel length, gas system, buffer set-up, etc, etc. I got lucky, you may need to make some adjustments for your setup, but you won't know for sure until you try it.


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    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    I agree, one can that is $1699 vs 3 cans at $900 (.223) + $900 (.30) + $500 (.22) = $2300. One can to tame them all is better IMO.

    IMO "multi cal modular" cans do have their place, and newer designs are awesome, but they are not without limitations. The primary one being rimfire. 22 is filthy, so it has to be user serviceable, but most all 22s are blowback and direct thread, so mounting and backpressure aren't a problem. There is also little gas at relatively low pressure/velocity, so a small 1x5" can with baffles designed for a ton of cross jetting works great, and it can be really light with steel baffles, and only a couple oz with aluminum or titanium. Pistol cans need more volume, but still run at relatively low pressures, backpressure is more important, as is a modular mount being you might need direct thread, a booster, or 3 lug depending on application, you also have a 9mm or 45cal bore, so they are less efficient with 22 calibers, and are not always efficient on rifles, being the higher volume/velocity of gas compared to pistols increases backpressure a LOT as baffles are designed for more and more cross jetting.

    Rifle cans have to be strong, especially with FA or short barrel ratings, so they are heavy with steel, or expensive with titanium. Welded cans work well in rifles, no real need to take them apart, they are stronger, lighter, and there is less to go wrong than a serviceable can. Rifle cans also need a LOT more volume and backpressure in semi-autos is a huge consideration, pretty much giving rise to flow-through cans, or baffles with relief ports instead of heavy cross jetting clips. There is also the strategy of using a small can with less muzzle suppression being a rifle is already large, cans add a lot of length and forward weight, and won't be really quiet with supersonic ammo anyway.

    That Banish 30 is expensive, relatively light at 13oz being titanium, but at 1.6x8" it's really big. Good for bench rifles, or chasing really quiet 300BO, but IMO is too big with too much backpressure to be a great all-around can, especially on ARs. I did demo one, and it was on a bolt-action 300BO, really impressive, but yea, it's huge, and wasn't quite as good as the Nomad L, that can is about the same size, but less expansive/heavier due to steel baffles. A couple unpopular opinions, people love Silencer central and Huxwrx/OSS, I don't. The Huxwrx cans are big with modest suppression, the low backpressure is the main feature, but adjustable gas or heavier buffers can mitigate overgassing, and most of the time you can get similar supression/low backpressure from a much smaller/lighter/cheaper K can like the YHM R9. I have talked to Silencer central reps, demoed their stuff, and still have the same opinion, they are very well finished "form 1 solvent trap kits." Lots of pieces to thread together, all joints have O-rings instead of tapered contacts to avoid coming apart, so more wear parts and weight for a rifle can that doesn't really need to be user serviceable. The baffles are a simple cone design with some cross flow clipping. They have modest performance for their size, but have titanium models that are lighter/ more expensive. They do have a unique service helping with paperwork, and shipping them to your door, but haven't seen one that was worth the price increase over other brands.

    My advise, with the same $1699 budget would be a SiCo 36M and a Rugged Oculus, both are modular in length, both sound really good, they come in at that budget including stamps, and you have a good rimfire K and full size, pistol, rifle, K and full size rifle cans. Only real downsides are that it isn't as quiet as the larger 8" cans like the Nomad L on a bench gun, and it's heavy/fat for handguns. The other way would be a 22 can, a YHM R9 for a small, low backpressure K /9mm can, and a resonator 30 for the best suppression in rifle calibers. In any case, pretty much anything other than a dedicated rimfire can on a rimfire host will be disappointing once you try a 22 can. I would use a rifle rated 9mm can on 22-30cal rifles before I would use a 22 rifle can on a 22 rimfire.
     
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