New Foxtrot Mike FM-15 Gen 2

[calicojack]

Unfortunately, a folder also prohibits using a suppressor on it while you're in MD, which is a real shame.

How is that? An SBR with a folding stock and a brake that is also a suppressor mount??

 

[erwos]

How is that? An SBR with a folding stock and a brake that is also a suppressor mount??

I run ASR brakes on a fair number of guns. If they have a folder, then I only mount a can to them when I'm in VA or WV.

 

[calicojack]

I run ASR brakes on a fair number of guns. If they have a folder, then I only mount a can to them when I'm in VA or WV.

Why? I am missing something (which would not be the first or last time). I am thinking about adding a folder and want to do so legally.

 

[erwos]

Why? I am missing something (which would not be the first or last time). I am thinking about adding a folder and want to do so legally.

Suppressors are flash hiders according to MD law's definition. You cannot run a flash hider and a folder on a semiauto rifle with a detachable magazine unless it's a pre-ban. ASR is Silencerco's QD system for suppressors. An ASR brake is a very functional brake when I'm in MD, and a good way to mount a suppressor when I'm not. I often use the Lantac Dragon ASR for the same thing if I need something with more compensation.

 

[calicojack]

Suppressors are flash hiders according to MD law's definition.

And that's what I was missing, thank you sir for pointing that out.

 

[teratos]

Suppressors are flash hiders according to MD law's definition. You cannot run a flash hider and a folder on a semiauto rifle with a detachable magazine unless it's a pre-ban. ASR is Silencerco's QD system for suppressors. An ASR brake is a very functional brake when I'm in MD, and a good way to mount a suppressor when I'm not. I often use the Lantac Dragon ASR for the same thing if I need something with more compensation.

The primary purpose of a suppressor is sound suppression. I don't mean to be a dick, but can you point out in MD law where it says a suppressor is a flash hider?

 

[erwos]

And that's what I was missing, thank you sir for pointing that out.

Yes. Unsure if that was really the intent, but it's definitely the outcome.

 

[erwos]

The primary purpose of a suppressor is sound suppression. I don't mean to be a dick, but can you point out in MD law where it says a suppressor is a flash hider?

​(j) “Flash suppressor” means a device that functions, or is intended to function, to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter’s field of vision.

A suppressor meets this criteria. It absolutely reduces flash as a function of its core purpose: suppression. I don't think this is really debatable.

 

[alucard0822]

​(j) “Flash suppressor” means a device that functions, or is intended to function, to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter’s field of vision.

A suppressor meets this criteria. It absolutely reduces flash as a function of its core purpose: suppression. I don't think this is really debatable.

The ATF did consider suppressors to be flash hiders for the purpose of the 94 AWB. Not sure if there is a letter or something from MSP, but have heard both sides of the argument and 0 case law or anything official to back up either side. Lots of brakes have flash hiding properties, especially linear comps, even if they aren't described as flash hiders per-se, and then there are things like the SiCo Omega brake cap that would seem to return a can to "brake" status. still it's a trap, and with 0 case law, I get that nobody want to be the 1st. I would definitely go the "pistol brace" method if I were in MD and wanted to shoot one with a folder and can.

 

[erwos]

there are things like the SiCo Omega brake cap that would seem to return a can to "brake" status.

Nah, you still have the can suppressing flash due to the baffles and blast chambers. There's a lot less flash that comes out the end even with that brake (I have one on my Hybrid). I would not want to be the guy arguing that defense in court. Linear comps do not redirect flash out of your field of view, nor do they reduce it. The law does not have anything to say about redirecting blast.

IMHO, the law is crystal clear, a suppressor is a flash hider, and I would recommend people not make themselves the first case law one way or the other.

 

[rbird7282]

The ATF did consider suppressors to be flash hiders for the purpose of the 94 AWB. Not sure if there is a letter or something from MSP, but have heard both sides of the argument and 0 case law or anything official to back up either side. Lots of brakes have flash hiding properties, especially linear comps, even if they aren't described as flash hiders per-se, and then there are things like the SiCo Omega brake cap that would seem to return a can to "brake" status. still it's a trap, and with 0 case law, I get that nobody want to be the 1st. I would definitely go the "pistol brace" method if I were in MD and wanted to shoot one with a folder and can.

Zero case law because nobody has been arrested at a range in Md for this, police have better things to do with their time


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[Russ D]

So could I buy one of these and slap it on a pistol lower with a folding stock? Does pre or post ban matter in this instance?

 

[MULE-JK]

So could I buy one of these and slap it on a pistol lower with a folding stock? Does pre or post ban matter in this instance?

Pretty sure putting a folding stock on your pistol would make it an SBR, not a pistol.

 

[Russ D]

Pretty sure putting a folding stock on your pistol would make it an SBR, not a pistol.

Duh yeah my bad, pistol brace not stock.