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  • gungate

    NRA Patron Member
    Apr 5, 2012
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    Damascus. MD
    I am having a hard time matching up what I bought to what I can make. Can anyone help out?

    Caliber - .45 Long Colt
    Powder - Ramshot Enforcer Smokeless Handgun
    Bullet - RNFP 200g Cowboy
    Primer - CCI 350 Large Pistol Magnum
     

    Park ranger

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    Dec 6, 2015
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    My guess is you need a copper jacketed bullet, or a powder like trailboss.

    That powder is more for magnum loads. Trailboss is good low pressure cowboy loads. What gun, not all 45 colt can handle full power stuff.
     

    gungate

    NRA Patron Member
    Apr 5, 2012
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    Damascus. MD
    My guess is you need a copper jacketed bullet, or a powder like trailboss.

    That powder is more for magnum loads. Trailboss is good low pressure cowboy loads. What gun, not all 45 colt can handle full power stuff.

    Thanks - gun is the Uberti Cattleman SSA.
     

    85MikeTPI

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    Jul 19, 2014
    2,118
    Ceciltucky
    The older Western manual lists Enforcer as a high pressure powder for 45colt. Are you shooting them in a modern handgun capable of 30kpsi? They also start at 225gr, which may be a starting point for your 200gr projectiles.
     

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    gungate

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    Apr 5, 2012
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    Yeah I am thinking I cannot use this powder for anything. Been looking for the Trailboss - like everything it is out of stock. Should have researched more.
     

    GunBum

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    Feb 21, 2018
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    SW Missouri

    Look up some loads here. Plenty of powders for .45 Colt using a 200 grain bullet. Even some in stock.

    if you don’t want to use something from Hodgdon or under their umbrella, Unique does well in mild .45 Colt loads.
     

    Uncle Duke

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    Yeah I am thinking I cannot use this powder for anything. Been looking for the Trailboss - like everything it is out of stock. Should have researched more.

    There's a whole list of powders that can work well in standard pressure 45. which is what you want to lean toward in a Uberti. As noted, Enforcer is a slow burning powder suitable only for heavy loads in magnum cartridges in the 44mag and heavier class.

    Good news is that 45 Colt is very accomodating of a lot of different powders. You're ideally looking for powders like Unique, or Universal, or Bullseye, or HP38/W231, or Titegroup, or Accurate 2 or 5, to name but a few. To maximize success in finding powder, take a picture on your phone of acceptable powders for your 200 grain lead bullet from the proper page in your load manual. Or do it the old fashioned way, and make a list of suitable powders, and keep it in your wallet as you visit shops. Makes life a whole lot easier than trying to remember, when you see a pound of scarce something sitting on the shelf, and start wondering if you can indeed use it. If you load or will load for other handgun cartridges, look for powder commonality for your list, so you can use the same powder for either cartridge. You ideally want to locate some standard primers as well, though I know that's presently easier said than done.
     

    gungate

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    Look up some loads here. Plenty of powders for .45 Colt using a 200 grain bullet. Even some in stock.

    if you don’t want to use something from Hodgdon or under their umbrella, Unique does well in mild .45 Colt loads.

    Thanks! I just ordered 3lbs of the Hodgdon Titegroup. Looks like that is perfect. $155 though. I think I am officially over the cost to just buy these damn bullets new but oh well. It's worth it for the learning experience I guess.
     

    gungate

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    Hey I also watched a guy on YouTube reloading almost exactly what I am doing and he uses "Large Rifle" primers. I guess they work too in .45 LC?

     

    gungate

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    It is best to use the correct primers for your firearm. I will gladly trade your LRP (large rifle primers) for my LPP (large pistol primers)
    I have plenty LPP and am low on LRP.

    I'll trade some magnum powder for your LPPs. I don't have any LRPs though. I just have some Magnum LPPs that are being shipped now it was all I could find.
     

    Uncle Duke

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    Hey I also watched a guy on YouTube reloading almost exactly what I am doing and he uses "Large Rifle" primers. I guess they work too in .45 LC?



    OP, your answer is no. And by way of suggestion, you'd be well served to read a good reloading manual, cover to cover. Not just load recipes, but general reloading guidelines. Such a good practice can help in many ways, not the least of which is that it can help you to be more quickly aware that there are A LOT of yahoos on YouYube videos. Many of them think they know more about the reloading topic than the folks who write the manuals. Simply put, they don't. And such sources of misinformation would include anyone who would post a video that tells you that using large rifle primers in pistol cases calling for large pistol primers is acceptable practice.

    Large rifle primers will tend to be 8 thousandths of an inch or so taller than large pistol primers, which in practical terms can mean primers of excess seated height, which can hang up rotation of a revolver cylinder. Large rifle primers also have thicker cups than do large pistol, by about 25% or so, which can mean that revolver hammers with lighter than rifle spec springs can have insufficient strike force for consistent detonation.

    Stick to your manual. It will help you to avoid problems, and to keep a safe hobby safe. A good manual is truly your best friend.
     
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    gungate

    NRA Patron Member
    Apr 5, 2012
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    Damascus. MD
    OP, your answer is no. And by way of suggestion, you'd be well served to read a good reloading manual, cover to cover. Not just load recipes, but general reloading guidelines. Such a good practice can help in many ways, not the least of which is that it can help you to be more quickly aware that there are A LOT of yahoos on YouYube videos. Many of them think they know more about the reloading topic than the folks who write the manuals. Simply put, they don't. And such sources of misinformation would include anyone who would post a video that tells you that using large rifle primers in pistol cases calling for large pistol primers is acceptable practice.

    Large rifle primers will tend to be 8 thousandths of an inch or so taller than large pistol primers, which in practical terms can mean primers of excess seated height, which can hang up rotation of a revolver cylinder. Large rifle primers also have thicker cups than do large pistol, by about 25% or so, which can mean that revolver hammers with lighter than rifle spec springs can have insufficient strike force for consistent detonation.

    Stick to your manual. It will help you to avoid problems, and to keep a safe hobby safe. A good manual is truly your best friend.

    I have no intention of doing this. But I did do some net searches and found a conversation on a reloader forum talking about it. Seems a couple people did some testing and found no real difference using rifle primers. They acknowledged all the differences you mentioned but in their tests none of them made any difference. The one reloader said he would not hesitate to use rifle primers for pistol cartridges if it was all he could get. It was an interesting read.
     

    GunBum

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    Feb 21, 2018
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    I have no intention of doing this. But I did do some net searches and found a conversation on a reloader forum talking about it. Seems a couple people did some testing and found no real difference using rifle primers. They acknowledged all the differences you mentioned but in their tests none of them made any difference. The one reloader said he would not hesitate to use rifle primers for pistol cartridges if it was all he could get. It was an interesting read.

    :omg:

    There are a lot of people who will tell you you’ll shoot your eye out if you don’t follow a reloading manual exactly. Then there are people who actually know how to reload that will recommend stuff the books missed. You decide who to trust. There is no right answer.
     

    Uncle Duke

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    Ue
    :omg:

    There are a lot of people who will tell you you’ll shoot your eye out if you don’t follow a reloading manual exactly. Then there are people who actually know how to reload that will recommend stuff the books missed. You decide who to trust. There is no right answer.

    Yeah
     

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