MSP denials

[swinokur]

I’d be curious about how many apps have been denied by MSP

Since we know what the prohibitions are, who would apply knowing the requirements and subsequent denial?


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[JohnnyE]

Frosh is in denial!

 

[Darkemp]

I’d be curious about how many apps have been denied by MSP

Since we know what the prohibitions are, who would apply knowing the requirements and subsequent denial?


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I’d bet there will be more than ever before, much like some are probably learning in their class on day 1 they may be prohibited or were exempt from training and didn’t know it.

 

[swinokur]

True permanently


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[camo556]

I’d bet there will be more than ever before, much like some are probably learning in their class on day 1 they may be prohibited or were exempt from training and didn’t know it.

I'd bet there are a lot less as most people applying have their HQL already.

 

[Applehd]

Buddy's wife applied... waiting to see the outcome. She may have had a dis-qualifier early on in life... 30+ years ago. I know she has an attorney helping her with the application... we shall see.

 

[Blacksmith101]

I also wonder how many people are trying to apply that don't have a clue about the process and what is required? As an example I want a wear and carry permit I took the hunter safety class so I am trained, or you already have my fingerprints when I got my HQL, etc, etc

 

[Park ranger]

Buddy's wife applied... waiting to see the outcome. She may have had a dis-qualifier early on in life... 30+ years ago. I know she has an attorney helping her with the application... we shall see.

I'm under the impression that if you can legally buy a gun, your not disqualified. Am I wrong in that assumption?

 

[Applehd]

I would assume that is correct. This would be the first time she has dabbled in this arena. She is a business owner and started the process before the Bruen opinion. I looked at her record many years ago and there may have been something there. I looked again, recently, and it seems to be gone. I will know shortly. Stay tuned...

 

[swinokur]

I'm under the impression that if you can legally buy a gun, your not disqualified. Am I wrong in that assumption?

No you are correct which makes all this permit crap a giant waster of time and money. CC states have figured this out. MD is too obtuse to follow


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[lazarus]

I'm under the impression that if you can legally buy a gun, your not disqualified. Am I wrong in that assumption?

There is a very limited area where you can be prohibited from purchase, but not prohibited from possession. For example IIRC being under indictment for a serious crime (something that can prohibit you) makes you prohibited from purchase, but until you are convicted, you are not prohibited from possession (IIRC just about everything thing I've read says the keep and bear might not be prohibited yet, even if the purchase is...but one should probably not do the whole bearing thing while under indictment either).

I suspect the state would not grant a W&C permit while under indictment.

 

[6-Pack]

There are a very few, limited circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW.

For example:
Form 77R: Are you a habitual drunkard?
* A "habitual drunkard" is someone who has had 3 or more DUIs.
CCW Application: Are you currently, or have you ever been, addicted to alcohol; or, are you currently being treated for alcoholism
* An alcoholic need not actually get a DUI

Form 77R only asks about convictions.
* A nolle pros, PBJ and stet are not convictions.
The CCW application asks about convictions, charges, and arrests.
* you can be charged or arrested without ever going to trial, and even if you do go to trial the charges are still there even if the result was a nolle pross, PBJ or a stet.

Form 77R: Have you ever received probation before judgment (PBJ) for a crime of violence/domestically related crime?
* This is self explanatory
CCW Application: Have you ever been served with an ex-parte or protection order for domestic violence?
* This is broader and covers protection orders, which are not necessarily crimes, but civil matters.

So there are a few circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW. I don't know how this all will play out though.

 

[DC-W]

All here: https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/information/md-carry-permits#b

 

[Biggfoot44]

I'd bet there are a lot less as most people applying have their HQL already.

Nope , other way around .

Among the general public , lots of people are interested in being able to protect themselves , who weren't previous owners .

Not saying these weren't previous exposed to guns , shot growing up or with friends , etc . But didn't persue an expensive hobby with guns they wouldn't be able to carry anyway .

 

[jc1240]

Buddy's wife applied... waiting to see the outcome. She may have had a dis-qualifier early on in life... 30+ years ago. I know she has an attorney helping her with the application... we shall see.

With COTUS rights, there needs to be a statute of limitations on how long a person's rights are taken away if they don't get into more trouble. Thinking of the gal in this video. The older I get, the less I care for absolutes like teenagers shagging or even two lovebirds sending nudies to each other being legally equated with true violent rapists and child pornographers. A young gal sending nudies of herself gets her charged with kiddy porn, but "her body, her choice."

 

[teratos]

There needs to be a pathway toward restoration of any right. Our criminal justice system is ridiculous.

 

[[Kev308]]

No you are correct which makes all this permit crap a giant waster of time and money. CC states have figured this out. MD is too obtuse to follow


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In the application process it asks if you have ever been arrested for drug possesion and even with a PBJ it must be expunged before you can be approved.

 

[teratos]

In the application process it asks if you have ever been arrested for drug possesion and even with a PBJ it must be expunged before you can be approved.

I believe the same goes for buying a handgun, no?

 

[Burt Hammersmith]

There are a very few, limited circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW.

Form 77R only asks about convictions.
* A nolle pros, PBJ and stet are not convictions.
The CCW application asks about convictions, charges, and arrests.
* you can be charged or arrested without ever going to trial, and even if you do go to trial the charges are still there even if the result was a nolle pross, PBJ or a stet.

So there are a few circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW. I don't know how this all will play out though.

But is non convictions something that would get you denied?

 

[6-Pack]

But is non convictions something that would get you denied?

possibly under this requirement, but I'm not 100% sure:
Based on an investigation, has not exhibited a propensity for violence or instability that may reasonably render the person’s possession of a handgun a danger to the person or others;