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  • swinokur

    In a State of Bliss
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 15, 2009
    51,628
    Not in Montgomery any longer
    I’d be curious about how many apps have been denied by MSP

    Since we know what the prohibitions are, who would apply knowing the requirements and subsequent denial?


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    Mark392001

    Active Member
    Industry Partner
    Aug 18, 2009
    7,363
    Glen Burnie, MD
    I’d be curious about how many apps have been denied by MSP

    Since we know what the prohibitions are, who would apply knowing the requirements and subsequent denial?


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    I’d bet there will be more than ever before, much like some are probably learning in their class on day 1 they may be prohibited or were exempt from training and didn’t know it.
     

    camo556

    Active Member
    Aug 29, 2021
    2,635
    I’d bet there will be more than ever before, much like some are probably learning in their class on day 1 they may be prohibited or were exempt from training and didn’t know it.
    I'd bet there are a lot less as most people applying have their HQL already.
     

    Applehd

    Throbbing Member
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 26, 2012
    5,099
    Buddy's wife applied... waiting to see the outcome. She may have had a dis-qualifier early on in life... 30+ years ago. I know she has an attorney helping her with the application... we shall see.
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    18,279
    I also wonder how many people are trying to apply that don't have a clue about the process and what is required? As an example I want a wear and carry permit I took the hunter safety class so I am trained, or you already have my fingerprints when I got my HQL, etc, etc
     

    Park ranger

    Active Member
    Dec 6, 2015
    1,908
    Buddy's wife applied... waiting to see the outcome. She may have had a dis-qualifier early on in life... 30+ years ago. I know she has an attorney helping her with the application... we shall see.
    I'm under the impression that if you can legally buy a gun, your not disqualified. Am I wrong in that assumption?
     

    Applehd

    Throbbing Member
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 26, 2012
    5,099
    I would assume that is correct. This would be the first time she has dabbled in this arena. She is a business owner and started the process before the Bruen opinion. I looked at her record many years ago and there may have been something there. I looked again, recently, and it seems to be gone. I will know shortly. Stay tuned...
     

    lazarus

    Active Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    9,990
    I'm under the impression that if you can legally buy a gun, your not disqualified. Am I wrong in that assumption?
    There is a very limited area where you can be prohibited from purchase, but not prohibited from possession. For example IIRC being under indictment for a serious crime (something that can prohibit you) makes you prohibited from purchase, but until you are convicted, you are not prohibited from possession (IIRC just about everything thing I've read says the keep and bear might not be prohibited yet, even if the purchase is...but one should probably not do the whole bearing thing while under indictment either).

    I suspect the state would not grant a W&C permit while under indictment.
     

    6-Pack

    NRA Life Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 17, 2013
    4,629
    ☭ Maryland ☭
    There are a very few, limited circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW.

    For example:
    Form 77R: Are you a habitual drunkard?
    * A "habitual drunkard" is someone who has had 3 or more DUIs.
    CCW Application: Are you currently, or have you ever been, addicted to alcohol; or, are you currently being treated for alcoholism
    * An alcoholic need not actually get a DUI

    Form 77R only asks about convictions.
    * A nolle pros, PBJ and stet are not convictions.
    The CCW application asks about convictions, charges, and arrests.
    * you can be charged or arrested without ever going to trial, and even if you do go to trial the charges are still there even if the result was a nolle pross, PBJ or a stet.

    Form 77R: Have you ever received probation before judgment (PBJ) for a crime of violence/domestically related crime?
    * This is self explanatory
    CCW Application: Have you ever been served with an ex-parte or protection order for domestic violence?
    * This is broader and covers protection orders, which are not necessarily crimes, but civil matters.

    So there are a few circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW. I don't know how this all will play out though.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Active Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    25,779
    I'd bet there are a lot less as most people applying have their HQL already.
    Nope , other way around .

    Among the general public , lots of people are interested in being able to protect themselves , who weren't previous owners .

    Not saying these weren't previous exposed to guns , shot growing up or with friends , etc . But didn't persue an expensive hobby with guns they wouldn't be able to carry anyway .
     

    jc1240

    Active Member
    Sep 18, 2013
    11,512
    Westminster, MD
    Buddy's wife applied... waiting to see the outcome. She may have had a dis-qualifier early on in life... 30+ years ago. I know she has an attorney helping her with the application... we shall see.
    With COTUS rights, there needs to be a statute of limitations on how long a person's rights are taken away if they don't get into more trouble. Thinking of the gal in this video. The older I get, the less I care for absolutes like teenagers shagging or even two lovebirds sending nudies to each other being legally equated with true violent rapists and child pornographers. A young gal sending nudies of herself gets her charged with kiddy porn, but "her body, her choice."

     

    teratos

    My hair is amazing
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 22, 2009
    50,202
    Bel Air
    There needs to be a pathway toward restoration of any right. Our criminal justice system is ridiculous.
     

    [Kev308]

    Active Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 23, 2020
    2,154
    Maryland
    No you are correct which makes all this permit crap a giant waster of time and money. CC states have figured this out. MD is too obtuse to follow


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    In the application process it asks if you have ever been arrested for drug possesion and even with a PBJ it must be expunged before you can be approved.
     

    Jed Clampett

    Member
    Oct 20, 2015
    466
    There are a very few, limited circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW.

    Form 77R only asks about convictions.
    * A nolle pros, PBJ and stet are not convictions.
    The CCW application asks about convictions, charges, and arrests.
    * you can be charged or arrested without ever going to trial, and even if you do go to trial the charges are still there even if the result was a nolle pross, PBJ or a stet.


    So there are a few circumstances where you can be approved for purchase, but not for CCW. I don't know how this all will play out though.
    But is non convictions something that would get you denied?
     

    6-Pack

    NRA Life Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 17, 2013
    4,629
    ☭ Maryland ☭
    But is non convictions something that would get you denied?
    possibly under this requirement, but I'm not 100% sure:
    Based on an investigation, has not exhibited a propensity for violence or instability that may reasonably render the person’s possession of a handgun a danger to the person or others;
     

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