MSP advisory on AR pistols with braces

[alucard0822]

basically says if it was sold in MD as a handgun, MSP still considers it a handgun.


blah blah blah, ATF says something else.

I would take it to mean the most gutless wink and nod possible, but still the MSP won't be treating braced pistols as SBRs.

 

[calicojack]

I suspect much of this will be moot in a few years.

Meanwhile, I keep looking longingly at the border . . .

I'm afraid to ask; which border?

 

[Bob A]

I'm afraid to ask; which border?

Yeah, that's the thing. We're running out of places to run to, though there's no shortage of places to run out of.

Maryland is not the hill I'd like to die on, though.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

I hope they have sumptuous lips and zero gag reflex.

 

[fabsroman]

I think they are throwing us a bone. If you bought a pistol (like an MP5 clone) and put a brace on it, it would still be considered a pistol by MSP. Meaning it doesn't have to be 29 inches.

I think this is it right here. Seems like MSP is taking a position that the Maryland interpretation of law pertaining to these firearms remains the same, but advising that people follow ATF regulations so they do not find themselves in trouble with the ATF.

 

[jcutonilli]

MSP says it’s both. Don’t ask why. It’s MD

It’s both a handgun and a center fire rifle subject to copycat restrictions

MSP does not make laws, the legislature does. The legislature has decided that different sections of the law should have different definitions. This means that there are multiple definitions of what a handgun and rifle mean. An SBR is a handgun for certain sections and a rifle for other sections. Under current law a new SBR cannot be a "copycat weapon" as they are currently banned. This new advisory does not address how the new brace ruling affects this issue.

 

[jcutonilli]

I think they are throwing us a bone. If you bought a pistol (like an MP5 clone) and put a brace on it, it would still be considered a pistol by MSP. Meaning it doesn't have to be 29 inches.

The advisory says nothing about "copycat weapons" (where the 29 in requirement comes from). It is unclear how they might interpret this requirement, although it is likely that they will interpret it the same as the ATF (and require that it not meet the "copycat weapon" definition, ie 29 in min).

 

[Bob A]

The advisory says nothing about "copycat weapons" (where the 29 in requirement comes from). It is unclear how they might interpret this requirement, although it is likely that they will interpret it the same as the ATF (and require that it not meet the "copycat weapon" definition, ie 29 in min).

Insofar as the 29" rule was created by the MSP, and the MSP takes its direction from the legislative and executive branches of MD govt, my belief is that MSP will follow the path of maximum infringement.

Why would they change the direction they've always followed?

 

[erwos]

I think they are throwing us a bone. If you bought a pistol (like an MP5 clone) and put a brace on it, it would still be considered a pistol by MSP. Meaning it doesn't have to be 29 inches.

This, exactly. I could go out and buy a Rattler pistol, form 1 it, and then use a brace inside of MD to stay legal. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it opens some interesting possibilities.

 

[RFBfromDE]

MSP “it’s a pistol and a rifle”

Faye Dunaway “she’s my sister and my daughter!”

 

[outrider58]

I ain't destroying anything I own. They can keep moving the goal post all they want. IWNC F em

Fvck'm

 

[ironpony]

Its a Trap!

Or they put this out hoping ATF will throw them a bone in order to comply.
This release is very unusual for MD.

I think they are throwing us a bone. If you bought a pistol (like an MP5 clone) and put a brace on it, it would still be considered a pistol by MSP. Meaning it doesn't have to be 29 inches.

I'm curious about the many who built rather than bought.

 

[Mike1690]

I think they are throwing us a bone. If you bought a pistol (like an MP5 clone) and put a brace on it, it would still be considered a pistol by MSP. Meaning it doesn't have to be 29 inches.

I think they are as well. Has anyone submitted a form 1 for a braced pistol yet?

 

[babalou]

I hope they have sumptuous lips and zero gag reflex.

There you go. Ed zachary

 

[outrider58]

I think they are throwing us a bone. If you bought a pistol (like an MP5 clone) and put a brace on it, it would still be considered a pistol by MSP. Meaning it doesn't have to be 29 inches.

I'm thinking this is a mistake(below) ...

Short-Barreled Rifle (SBR) (CR 4-201(f) “Short–barreled rifle” means: (1) a rifle that has one or more
barrels less than 16 inches long; or (2) a weapon that has an overall length of less than 26 inches and
that was made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise.)

 

[swinokur]

MSP does not make laws, the legislature does. The legislature has decided that different sections of the law should have different definitions. This means that there are multiple definitions of what a handgun and rifle mean. An SBR is a handgun for certain sections and a rifle for other sections. Under current law a new SBR cannot be a "copycat weapon" as they are currently banned. This new advisory does not address how the new brace ruling affects this issue.

And as I mentioned MSP issued the advisory based on the legal opinion from AAG Bowen.

But feel free to split hairs on its origin.

I don’t GAF

 

[swinokur]

I think they are as well. Has anyone submitted a form 1 for a braced pistol yet?

If you do and it’s less than 29 inches it will be rejected IMO

ATF will not paper an SBR of less than 29 inches because if it is, it meets the definition of copycat and is therefore banned

 

[Mike OTDP]

I may well try...with a copy of this letter attached.

 

[swinokur]

ATF stopped approving SBR’s < 29 inches when copycat weapons were defined in FSA 2013

By MD ‘s own definition it’s a copycat no matter what MSP says

Of course BATFE never changes definitions

 

[Tower43]

what pistol brace?

Also, IMO, that "amnesty" form 1... is a trap to get you to violate your 5th as they cannot reasonably approve in 45 days; so therefore you're admitting possession of an illegal firearm.....