Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[DC-W]

This isn't a tactic exclusive to "the left." It's used by governments of all stripes to force the other side to respond and often opponents do indeed run out of money and sometimes if they're still fighting, appointments and attitudes shift the courts change their posture. It took nearly 50 years of red states ignoring the Supreme Court for Dobbs to eventually happen. Oklahoma had been ignoring a Congressional treaty for over a century. See McGirt v. Oklahoma (2020). This is just how it is.

Gun litigation is very young -- not even really old enough to buy cigarettes. When you start to research beyond it, you'll get the feeling of being small and you realize how not unique so many arguments are. History rhymes.

 

[outrider58]

Then maybe we need a new constitutional amendment that requires government at all levels who wish to pass a bill that would have a direct effect on the constitutional rights of all Americans to be challenged before it becomes law. Because eventually the left will succeed in bankrupting the NRA and other advocacy groups. That's their plan. They have had plenty of cases in before them where they could have upheld the meaning of the second amendment but they refuse to do so... Every case in which a law gets challenged takes years before it gets to the supreme Court level. That should not be the case. No bill should ever be allowed to signed into law that directly challenges the constitutional right. Those bills should be put before the court before they become law. Most of them would be tossed

That's congress' job and they suck at it.

 

[Boondock Saint]

And which person or group of people will determine in advance whether a law might eventually - in execution later - rub up against the BoR? Are you talking about establishing yet another layer of government that would sit in between legislatures and the courts? Are you talking about the courts breaking the separation of powers and getting permanently and pervasively involved in the legislative process for every state, county, and township?

Unworkable and unconstitutional. You’re frustrated because lefties are now in a phase of finding where the new boundaries are. They’re going to look down every tunnel they think will get them around the 2A and find Thomas staring back at them. This will go on for a while. Let it. We’ve had a huge victory and they know it, but are still virtue signaling to their donors for midterm cash.

I encourage them to exhaust their arguments. Trying to punch through the bulwark that is "text, history, and tradition" is going to be a fool's errand. Let them come. Let them pay to craft even more precedent that binds them from restricting our rights.

 

[lazarus]

And which person or group of people will determine in advance whether a law might eventually - in execution later - rub up against the BoR? Are you talking about establishing yet another layer of government that would sit in between legislatures and the courts? Are you talking about the courts breaking the separation of powers and getting permanently and pervasively involved in the legislative process for every state, county, and township?

Unworkable and unconstitutional. You’re frustrated because lefties are now in a phase of finding where the new boundaries are. They’re going to look down every tunnel they think will get them around the 2A and find Thomas staring back at them. This will go on for a while. Let it. We’ve had a huge victory and they know it, but are still virtue signaling to their donors for midterm cash.

A good comparison is what the right has done with abortion since Roe. Generally ignored a very clear SCOTUS decision and kept trying to pass every type of work around to that very clear decision, until SCOTUS ignored Stare Decisis and threw out Roe and Casey. But for 40+ years, the right as done their best to completely ignore the decision resulting in probably a dozen plus laws across the US every year that had to be taken to court and struck down. Most got struck at the district court level and many times states didn't push it further. Sometimes when they thought the court might be more willing to be sympathetic at a higher level, they pushed it to the appeals court level and often to SCOTUS. I am sure there was at least a year or two in there where there wasn't some case before SCOTUS that they mostly turned away. Occasionally just pointing to Roe and Casey upon hearing it. Or every once in awhile hearing a case and chipping away at Roe and Casey just a little bit.

Now we have a new SCOTUS and strong opinion on 2A. I would be SHOCKED if the more liberal states didn't just continue throwing laws at the wall seeing if they can get anything at all to stick. I think more likely than not, you'll see that happening until such time as we have a new SCOTUS that throws into jeopardy Heller and Bruen. Though, actually probably still, just that if THT gets changed then you can expect that crap thrown at the wall to actually stick.

Just like now that Dobbs decision is out there all of the conservative states are rushing to ban abortion, talking about abortion, thinking about abortion, banning contraceptives, etc. So if Heller/Bruen and THT gets overturned at some future point, the usual suspects are going to rush out there with a vengeance.

 

[DC-W]

Some press on the hearing yesterday: https://www.mymcmedia.org/council-hears-clashing-public-views-over-firearm-bill/

 

[lazarus]

Some press on the hearing yesterday: https://www.mymcmedia.org/council-hears-clashing-public-views-over-firearm-bill/

I am still failing to see how criminalizing possession in a location suddenly makes people safe?

Mass murder - "Welp, I guess I am just going to have to go back to the drawing board. The mall has a sign saying 'no firearms'. That was a close thing!"

 

[MeatGrinder]

Thanks for all your efforts!

 

[DC-W]

I am still failing to see how criminalizing possession in a location suddenly makes people safe?

Mass murder - "Welp, I guess I am just going to have to go back to the drawing board. The mall has a sign saying 'no firearms'. That was a close thing!"

Guns bad!

Thanks for all your efforts!

Humbled to be of service. Thank MSI

 

[lazarus]

Guns bad!

Humbled to be of service. Thank MSI

You've been talking to my wife again after she looked at our credit card bill, haven't you?

 

[pbharvey]

Some press on the hearing yesterday: https://www.mymcmedia.org/council-hears-clashing-public-views-over-firearm-bill/

Well done as always.
Thank you for your effort in the fight.

 

[OldBrokenGrunt]

MoCo has a lot of stupidity. Most of these nitwits have been brainwashed into thinking that guns are the devil and they can “blow out a lung” by our current moron in charge.

There is so much misinformation out there being thrown at people concerning guns and gun owners that uninformed people believe it. There are not enough people and organizations out there that provide accurate information about guns and gun owners to fight against all the misinformation out there.

The most we can do as responsible gun owners is to educate people to the best of our ability.

 

[sclag22]

Any updates?

 

[knovotny]

They haven't made any moves to pass it. We seem to have helped them see the light.

 

[hodgepodge]

Should have attended the meeting. Still in court. Mark P. expects a win.

 

[jcutonilli]

Here is the bill link if you want to check the status of the bill.

Montgomery County Council - Legislative Information Management System – bill details

apps.montgomerycountymd.gov

 

[jeffgall295]

Here is the bill link if you want to check the status of the bill.

Montgomery County Council - Legislative Information Management System – bill details

apps.montgomerycountymd.gov

Thank you


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[Bob A]

Here is the bill link if you want to check the status of the bill.

Montgomery County Council - Legislative Information Management System – bill details

apps.montgomerycountymd.gov

Public hearing was almost 8 weeks ago; the staff report on the public testimony is not yet available.

 

[swinokur]

I think Danny and Mark scare the shit out of them


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[babalou]

You've been talking to my wife again after she looked at our credit card bill, haven't you?

hahahaha

 

[fishgutzy]

The exceptions in 57.11 include one that seems to say there is an allowance that it doesn’t apply *inside* the home. we’ll see what the court says about that.


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Imagine, the PD being directed to take a list of all permit holders and posting officers, randomly, outside the homes that are within 100 yards, then frisking and arresting anyone holstering a handgun as they exit their door or pulling them over if they have a detached garage.
After all, unless someone gets arrested, no MD court would allow a case for lack of standing.