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  • Sunrise

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 18, 2020
    4,049
    Capital Region

    We are we on this one?


    And The response is DUE 9.20/23--

    Thanks,
    Kenny
    Response from MoCo is in:



    Page 29:

    The County removed this exception via Bill 21-22E in part based upon the exponential increase in the number of concealed handgun permit applications in Maryland after Bruen. Prior to Bruen, Maryland required a person demonstrate “good and substantial reason” to receive a wear-and-carry gun permit. Md. Code Ann., Pub. Safety § 5-306(a)(6)(ii) (2018). Immediately after Bruen, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan instructed the Maryland State Police to no longer enforce this requirement.18 In the weeks after Governor Hogan’s instruction, the number of applications for carry permits received by Maryland State Police increased eleven-fold.19 As carry permit holders would no longer have to demonstrate any justification for a carry permit, and the number of carry permit holders increased substantially post-Bruen, the County Firearms Law prevents a person from carrying a firearm within 100 yards of a place of public assembly even if they have a valid State carry permit.20

    So there it is: Carrying in "sensitive areas" with a permit wasn't an issue for them until you didn't have to give them a "good and substantial reason" for the permit. Then they said you couldn't carry in these areas with the permit that you didn't have to give them a "good and substantial reason" for.

    "Eleven-Fold."

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    Sunrise

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 18, 2020
    4,049
    Capital Region
    I don't know about you all, but ever since MD went from "May Issue" (effectively no issue) to "Shall Issue", we valid permitted carriers are more likely now to commit those violent gun crimes that we wouldn't have done before.
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,054
    Montgomery County
    These new restrictions are completely justified by the explosion in murderous rage gun violence on the part of permit holders in Montgomery County ever since Bruen. Or so these little tyrants so, SO desperately wish. And yet: nuttin'. Don't think for a second their response wouldn't have breathlessly referred to even ONE example of that if it had actually happened. I hate these people.
     

    Sunrise

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 18, 2020
    4,049
    Capital Region
    These new restrictions are completely justified by the explosion in murderous rage gun violence on the part of permit holders in Montgomery County ever since Bruen. Or so these little tyrants so, SO desperately wish. And yet: nuttin'. Don't think for a second their response wouldn't have breathlessly referred to even ONE example of that if it had actually happened. I hate these people.
    You know it's the threat of being convicted for unlawful possession of a firearm that has kept would-be criminals from committing armed carjackings, armed robberies, homicides, etc....

    Obviously.
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    21,982
    The Supreme Court took away the state's Good and Substantial Reason so Montgomery County decided to ban carry within 100 yards of the County's (which differs from the Court's) list of sensitive places. Sounds like a winning plan.
     

    Occam

    Not Even ONE Indictment
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 24, 2018
    20,054
    Montgomery County
    The Supreme Court took away the state's Good and Substantial Reason so Montgomery County decided to ban carry within 100 yards of the County's (which differs from the Court's) list of sensitive places. Sounds like a winning plan.
    The judge involved actually IS making it a winning plan, so far. Doing nothing allows it to live as the county wants it to. They're thinking that enough foot dragging over that piece of parchment on which the Bill of Rights is written will make it eventually impossible to read, what with all the scuff marks.
     

    erwos

    The Hebrew Hammer
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 25, 2009
    13,836
    Rockville, MD
    That response is fun to read. I think they're still going to have to deal with the "you can't actually carry anywhere" map eventually, but they seem content to try to ignore it for now.
     

    csanc123

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 26, 2009
    4,134
    Montgomery County
    These new restrictions are completely justified by the explosion in murderous rage gun violence on the part of permit holders in Montgomery County ever since Bruen. Or so these little tyrants so, SO desperately wish. And yet: nuttin'. Don't think for a second their response wouldn't have breathlessly referred to even ONE example of that if it had actually happened. I hate these people.
    More restrictions...more deaths. Clear lack of efficacy for 1996 and 2013 gun law packages. So instead of focusing on the issue of actual crime...Let's continue to fuq with the law abiding (to give the MD masses/sheep the appearance of doing something). Cycle continues with SB uno.
     

    Lafayette

    Not that kind of doctor
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 8, 2021
    494
    Maryland
    The County removed this exception via Bill 21-22E in part based upon the exponential increase in the number of concealed handgun permit applications in Maryland after Bruen. Prior to Bruen, Maryland required a person demonstrate “good and substantial reason” to receive a wear-and-carry gun permit. Md. Code Ann., Pub. Safety § 5-306(a)(6)(ii) (2018). Immediately after Bruen, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan instructed the Maryland State Police to no longer enforce this requirement.18 In the weeks after Governor Hogan’s instruction, the number of applications for carry permits received by Maryland State Police increased eleven-fold.19 As carry permit holders would no longer have to demonstrate any justification for a carry permit, and the number of carry permit holders increased substantially post-Bruen, the County Firearms Law prevents a person from carrying a firearm within 100 yards of a place of public assembly even if they have a valid State carry permit.20

    This is the best response they possibly could have made. They have effectively said “because no special purpose is required to carry, we have created a law to prevent carry.” In effect, they are arguing that they don’t want you to carry, and have had to come up with a new reason to prevent general bearing of arms. This eviscerates their case. It won’t go well for them in the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court.
     

    SigNerd

    Active Member
    Feb 24, 2015
    161
    This is the best response they possibly could have made. They have effectively said “because no special purpose is required to carry, we have created a law to prevent carry.” In effect, they are arguing that they don’t want you to carry, and have had to come up with a new reason to prevent general bearing of arms. This eviscerates their case. It won’t go well for them in the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court.
    Yep, I'm very happy that they decided to put this in. It almost makes me wonder if the lawyers are thinking "crap, we didn't actually want to get past the TRO/PI stage for a case we all know we're going to ultimately lose, we were just wanting to put on a good show for the council... quick, how do we torpedo our case without getting fired?"
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,337
    All of the rational advisors in MOCO are replaced by yes men stooges.
    Same thing happened in the MD GA.

    Rational legislators didn't want to play with the crazies. So they chose not to run.
     

    pcfixer

    Ultimate Member
    May 24, 2009
    5,937
    Marylandstan
    All MSI - We should be emailing this website to make this more national and regional news. I have a number of times.
    "The Reload" must notice US and the Tyrannical state we live in. Just like he (By Stephen Gutowski) has done for New Mexico.

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    Hi Kenneth,

    We've talked a lot about the legal limits of gun control in the wake of last year's Supreme Court Second Amendment ruling. But, this week, we saw a new political limit show itself in addition to a legal one.

    Last Friday, New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham (D.) used emergency powers to suspend gun-carry rights in the state's largest city and surrounding county. That led to a flood of lawsuits. A group of New Mexicans defied the order in an armed protest without consequence shortly afterward. And nearly everyone, from local law enforcement officials to her AG to nationally recognized gun-control activists, has decried the order as unconstitutional. On Wednesday, a federal judge blocked the order.

    Contributing Writer Jake Fogleman does a deep dive into the backlash to the order and outlines how it represents a new floor in the gun-rights debate.

    Meanwhile, the Special Counsel overseeing the investigation into Hunter Biden filed three gun charges against him on Thursday. Jake also took a look at the very real possibility that Hunter could use a Second Amendment defense. Would that actually work?

    California also passed its version of the Bruen-response carry restrictions. And Smith & Wesson posted its first quarterly sales growth in years giving us the first significant evidence the gun market may have stopped its recent decline.

    Plus, The Atlantic's Andrew Exum joins the podcast to explain his view of gun culture and why hunting is more important to America than most imagine.


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    Biden-Appointed Federal Judge Blocks New Mexico Governor’s ‘Emergency’ Gun-Carry Ban
    By Stephen Gutowski
     

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