Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[Mule]

Mark, there's no way for me to properly thank or repay you for your efforts. However, as a start, I'll continue supporting MSI as much as I'm able, through donations and volunteer hours.

Please know that I hold you in the highest regard, and could not be happier that you're leading us.

It can't be said enough, but "thank you for all that you do for the good of your fellow Marylanders." (and, that thanks extends to the officers and directors of MSI, as well)

 

[eruby]

Ogie Ogilthorpe is inconsolable.

NOT Poodle!!!

 

[RFBfromDE]

Og Ogglebe… sounds like a bubble in a bathtub!

 

[JohnnyE]

NOT Poodle!!!

Just buy him a soda after the game.

 

[FrankZ]

Enjoyed this piece below in TTAG about the “wine Moms” we all know so well: the red plague conspiring to strangle liberty in Maryland.

Wait, wait, there’s more!

This TTAG piece was written by Konstadinos Moros, an attorney associate at Michel & Associates, the same firm which authored the amicus brief submitted last week in this case from the Second Amendment Law Center, in support of MSI (posted above):

Slate Cheers 20 Wine Moms Who Are Working to Take Down the Supreme Court's Bruen Ruling - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ An article at slate.com yesterday details the efforts of a brace of red-shirted Moms Demand Action members who are “scouring archives across the United States for historical firearm regulations.” What they’re actually doing, author Mark Joseph Stern says, is trying...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

FTA: “Konstadinos Moros is an Associate Attorney with Michel & Associates, a law firm in Long Beach that regularly represents the California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA) in its litigation efforts to restore the Second Amendment in California. You can find him on his Twitter handle @MorosKostas. To donate to CRPA or become a member, visit https://crpa.org/.”

Didn't Bruen specifically reject the idea of laws from the western territories from consideration of second amendment history?

 

[Deep Lurker]

Didn't Bruen specifically reject the idea of laws from the western territories from consideration of second amendment history?

Correct Frank.

Moreover, the red Mommies insist not only on hysterically citing these old territorial laws but also cataloguing and advancing the late-19th and early 20th century Jim Crow and local municipal gun control ordinances explicitly disqualified in Bruen.

Worse, IIRC the judge in this case adopted the red Mommies playbook and didn’t even try to shade it: he cited these same local and late ordinances in his ruling denying an injunction, thumbing his nose at both the Court and MSI.

 

[esqappellate]

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www.marylandshallissue.org

Opposition of County to MSI's motion for summary judgment in State court

 

[esqappellate]

Mark, there's no way for me to properly thank or repay you for your efforts. However, as a start, I'll continue supporting MSI as much as I'm able, through donations and volunteer hours.

Please know that I hold you in the highest regard, and could not be happier that you're leading us.

It can't be said enough, but "thank you for all that you do for the good of your fellow Marylanders." (and, that thanks extends to the officers and directors of MSI, as well)

Thank you for the very kind words! I really do appreciate it.

 

[Biggfoot44]

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www.marylandshallissue.org

Opposition of County to MSI's motion for summary judgment in State court

When I click the link , I get " you are not authorized " ? So I go to the MSI website , to documents.

But there are several new documents , and apparently my first guess was wrong one .

What's the Title of the pdf of particular interest referenced above ?

 

[Occam]

When I click the link , I get " you are not authorized " ? So I go to the MSI website , to documents.

But there are several new documents , and apparently my first guess was wrong one .

What's the Title of the pdf of particular interest referenced above ?

You want the one called simply, "County Opposition and Reply." As I write this, it's the sixth one down the list. The other (similarly named) ones are exhibits and such.

Get ready for an eye-glazing read. I can't realistically sum it up, but the gist is:

1) MSI has no standing on this, so they certainly can't be asking for a TRO.
2) Never mind that, the county can do everything it did in its bill because state pre-emption doesn't mean what you think it does
3) Did we mention that we don't think MSI has any business even being involved in this?
4) Anyway, guns are icky and even though the law makes you give up your Eeeeevil Ghost Guns that you paid for, it's not a "taking" because reasons.

 

[swinokur]

If you scroll down they are there

 

[csanc123]

You want the one called simply, "County Opposition and Reply." As I write this, it's the sixth one down the list. The other (similarly named) ones are exhibits and such.

Get ready for an eye-glazing read. I can't realistically sum it up, but the gist is:

1) MSI has no standing on this, so they certainly can't be asking for a TRO.
2) Never mind that, the county can do everything it did in its bill because state pre-emption doesn't mean what you think it does
3) Did we mention that we don't think MSI has any business even being involved in this?
4) Anyway, guns are icky and even though the law makes you give up your Eeeeevil Ghost Guns that you paid for, it's not a "taking" because reasons.

This. No counterpoint to address the overt unconstitutionality. It was just basically 'MSI doesn't represent the membership it's made of'....no seriously..that was their angle and...ghost guns are scary.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Took quick scan of it Seems to be same Yada Yada , different day .

 

[Occam]

Took quick scan of it Seems to be same Yada Yada , different day .

Correct. But they did carefully cite Yada Yada vs Whatevers and Appealy McTortface vs Giggitty Litigitty to bolster their Geminus De Stultus filing.

They also added the guy named "Bill" to their "no standing" list, since they couldn't find anybody named Bill O'Rights in their own paperwork anywhere.

 

[Blacksmith101]

It is funny how all of the Government entities that are a part of these lawsuits miss that part in Bruen where it says (and I am paraphrasing) "Then the burden shifts to the Government to show that there are long standing laws from the founding era, not 100+ years later, that show similar restrictions on this civil right."

Shouldn't take them more than a few pages to say these are the founding era laws that cover this. Quote the laws and where to find them. Case closed! Of course if you are trying to create something from nothing it might take a lot more pages.

 

[babalou]

Correct. But they did carefully cite Yada Yada vs Whatevers and Appealy McTortface vs Giggitty Litigitty to bolster their Geminus De Stultus filing.

They also added the guy named "Bill" to their "no standing" list, since they couldn't find anybody named Bill Of Rights in their own paperwork anywhere.

that is too hilarious. haha

 

[MeatGrinder]

So, what comes next in this process?

 

[D&Ds]

Did

Correct. But they did carefully cite Yada Yada vs Whatevers and Appealy McTortface vs Giggitty Litigitty to bolster their Geminus De Stultus filing.

They also added the guy named "Bill" to their "no standing" list, since they couldn't find anybody named Bill Of Rights in their own paperwork anywhere.

What about the part where Md says we can so we did?

 

[D&Ds]

Correct. But they did carefully cite Yada Yada vs Whatevers and Appealy McTortface vs Giggitty Litigitty to bolster their Geminus De Stultus filing.

They also added the guy named "Bill" to their "no standing" list, since they couldn't find anybody named Bill Of Rights in their own paperwork anywhere.

 

[Biggfoot44]

So, what comes next in this process?

IANAL , but off the top of my head - MSI has X days to respond to MoCo's response , then the Court will rule on the motion ....... Whenever they feel like it .