Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[D&Ds]

Can go either way .

But if not a particularly high profile case , it's more common for reviewing prosecutors to selectively drop , leaving the ones most likely to either be slam dunk , or easiest to get a plea .

Everyone likes a gold star on their report card.

 

[coinboy]

So if people aren't being charged with this crime and when they do finally charge someone, couldn't the person claim that there is unequal enforcement with all the people they refused to charge with it?

 

[Sunrise]

So if people aren't being charged with this crime and when they do finally charge someone, couldn't the person claim that there is unequal enforcement with all the people they refused to charge with it?

Good question.

 

[Doctor_M]

That will certainly be part of my defense if I'm made a test case.

 

[remrug]

We're 247-248 days in with 0 charges. When will the paranoia disappear or does that just come standard in the gun community?


Based on the cops ive spoken to most have only encountered illegal guns rather than you or I carrying or going to the range.
Statiscally speaking a criminal will be charged first. A guy running a block as a dope dealer, a guy who carjacks, shoplifts, rapes and so on with firearms has a higher chance of being arrested than Bubba going to his HVAC job with his 1911.

The first time a law abiding citizen uses theirs in self defense, is when the first charges will be filed.....mark my words

 

[Sunrise]

The first time a law abiding citizen uses theirs in self defense, is when the first charges will be filed.....mark my words

They didn’t charge Andrew Raymond (Engage Armament) under it….

That being said, shooting at the rear of an unmarked police vehicle as it’s driving away isn’t necessarily a good measure of self defense.

 

[LuckyShot]

Come on, the guiys youve talked to, only encounter illegal guns. Yet no one has been charged under the new law.

illegal guns i.e. "ghost boys", stolen guns, being under 21 with no hql and carrying illegally, carying a stolen gun without a permit with weed in the car, the list goes on as to what an illegal gun is.

And yea no one has been charged under 21-22

I think we probably have what? like 150 examples atleast of people who should of been charged? half of them being young adults with no record until finally caught busting in cars or carjacking

 

[LuckyShot]

They didn’t charge Andrew Raymond (Engage Armament) under it….

That being said, shooting at the rear of an unmarked police vehicle as it’s driving away isn’t necessarily a good measure of self defense.

keep in mind that happened 3 weeks after the bill became law. If that wasn't a steak thrown at a starving dog idk what is.

A white gun store owner in moco wasn't even made an example 3 weeks after the bill was law. THATS when i started calling BS on the whole thing.

 

[Occam]

keep in mind that happened 3 weeks after the bill became law. If that wasn't a steak thrown at a starving dog idk what is.

A white gun store owner in moco wasn't even made an example 3 weeks after the bill was law. THATS when i started calling BS on the whole thing.

They already knew they'd be charging him with bigger ticket offenses in that shooting. What you're hearing people hear talk about is a bona fide, no-question-it's-legit-self-defense shooting that happens to occur in a Naughty Zone. Because that's the behavior they want to punish - people not out back of their business or home, but out and about in the world.

 

[Blacksmith101]

It's primary purpose is to act as a deterrent to law abiding gun owners and when just having the law doesn't inhibit the sheeple enough they will grab a couple of examples and make an example of them with a big show trial with lots of media coverage.

 

[Sunrise]

They already knew they'd be charging him with bigger ticket offenses in that shooting. What you're hearing people hear talk about is a bona fide, no-question-it's-legit-self-defense shooting that happens to occur in a Naughty Zone. Because that's the behavior they want to punish - people not out back of their business or home, but out and about in the world.

It's primary purpose is to act as a deterrent to law abiding gun owners and when just having the law doesn't inhibit the sheeple enough they will grab a couple of examples and make an example of them with a big show trial with lots of media coverage.

I don't think it's intended for a shooting/self-defense incident. Seems to me they're saving it for a standalone charge that they can bring when they can't bring anything else. It's meant to be a "permit taker" charge for legal carriers and to have a deterrent effect on the general right to carry as held under Bruen otherwise.

 

[Sunrise]

keep in mind that happened 3 weeks after the bill became law. If that wasn't a steak thrown at a starving dog idk what is.

A white gun store owner in moco wasn't even made an example 3 weeks after the bill was law. THATS when i started calling BS on the whole thing.

I don't think it's BS. I think they intend to use it as a "permit taker" charge for an otherwise legal carrier when there's nothing else to charge with. I don't see it as an add-on charge like the "High Capacity Magazine" charge.

 

[D&Ds]

I don't think it's BS. I think they intend to use it as a "permit taker" charge for an otherwise legal carrier when there's nothing else to charge with. I don't see it as an add-on charge like the "High Capacity Magazine" charge.

Bingo

 

[D&Ds]

illegal guns i.e. "ghost boys", stolen guns, being under 21 with no hql and carrying illegally, carying a stolen gun without a permit with weed in the car, the list goes on as to what an illegal gun is.

And yea no one has been charged under 21-22

I think we probably have what? like 150 examples atleast of people who should of been charged? half of them being young adults with no record until finally caught busting in cars or carjacking

yea, that wasnt the point

 

[Biggfoot44]

illegal guns i.e. "ghost boys", stolen guns, being under 21 with no hql and carrying illegally, carying a stolen gun without a permit with weed in the car, the list goes on as to what an illegal gun is.

And yea no one has been charged under 21-22

I think we probably have what? like 150 examples atleast of people who should of been charged? half of them being young adults with no record until finally caught busting in cars or carjacking

21-22 has 6 month penalty. 4-203 that all those people Also violated has 3 year penalty.

When 21-22 finally gets used , it will only be used for those people for whom 4-203 would Not apply.

 

[Schipperke]

They didn’t charge Andrew Raymond (Engage Armament) under it….

That being said, shooting at the rear of an unmarked police vehicle as it’s driving away isn’t necessarily a good measure of self defense.

Is the Engage parking lot within a no carry zone?

 

[Sunrise]

Is the Engage parking lot within a no carry zone?

This came up here:

Montgomery County Bill 21-22

Great 24 page read. Mark had an answer for each and every incompetent response from the county. But by definition their response has to be incompetent because they don't have a leg to stand on. But they do likely have a sympathetic judge, which can negate even the most solid legal arguments...

www.mdshooters.com

(@Occam)

 

[Sunrise]

That will certainly be part of my defense if I'm made a test case.

I have a feeling that you'll only be charged under this law if there's nothing else they can charge you with. The whole point of this law is to take your MD Permit away. You have to admire the purity and authoritarianism of it.

 

[JollyPedro]

I have a feeling that you'll only be charged under this law if there's nothing else they can charge you with. The whole point of this law is to take your MD Permit away. You have to admire the purity and authoritarianism of it.

This law sucks, can't get around that at the moment....one question for you though; how many times in your life, carrying or not carrying, have you been stopped by a cop and searched for no reason?? I mean, you are clearly worried about this law but maybe the risk is worth the reward in this case?? It's clearly a personal decision but yikes, this one seems to boil your blood, lol....At the end of the day, we all know it's going away, question is just how long it takes.

 

[Ismee]

This law sucks, can't get around that at the moment....one question for you though; how many times in your life, carrying or not carrying, have you been stopped by a cop and searched for no reason?? I mean, you are clearly worried about this law but maybe the risk is worth the reward in this case?? It's clearly a personal decision but yikes, this one seems to boil your blood, lol....At the end of the day, we all know it's going away, question is just how long it takes.

I know exactly how you feel. I rarely go to Montgomery County because of this. I generally open carry in Maryland (PG, AA). Come October, I'll likely deliberately print an empty holster just to guage enforcement. I hope the courts are swift!