Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[emerald]

I'd love to hear them attempt to make the justification now that the State is "Shall Issue" that the law is suddenly necessary for public safety.

Have there been any statistics on the number of people with carry permits before shall issue who broke the law versus after? I haven't seen a single story about a permit holder involved in an unwarranted shooting after the change in the law. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I'd think we'd have heard a big whoop if it had, especially if they could point to an actual increase in incidents.

 

[Occam]

Yup. They are trying to argue there is no injury unless someone is arrested. MSI is arguing (correctly) that even if someone has not been arrested, people are modifying their behavior, and thus an injury, because the law is on the books and might be enforced.

The judge basically said to the county that if they agree not to enforce the law, then there is no injury and no standing. County said, well we aren’t saying we won’t enforce it. We are saying right now it hasn’t yet been enforced. So no one has yet been injured.

Yeah, that isn’t even stupid logic. It is worse than that.

This neatly describes the situation. The county trying to spin it in any other way is being foolish at the very best, but more likely maliciously disingenuous. I know the judge can't spank them on a count of Deliberate D-Baggery over the conduct, but they deserve it. It's such transparent BS, and everyone knows it, and everyone knows that everyone knows it. If only the judge had the moral compass to call them out on it while wrapping up this snail race.

 

[Sunrise]

Have there been any statistics on the number of people with carry permits before shall issue who broke the law versus after? I haven't seen a single story about a permit holder involved in an unwarranted shooting after the change in the law. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I'd think we'd have heard a big whoop if it had, especially if they could point to an actual increase in incidents.

If I had to take a guess, MoCo PD's record keeping system for arrest reports is probably in a narrative format such that they don't keep a running track stat of carry permits pursuant to arrests. The gun incidents/carjackings, etc that we're seeing in MoCo aren't being committed by those with legal guns/permits.

It's more likely that this stat would be available from the Montgomery County State's Attorneys Office.

As you said, I haven't heard of a single story either.

 

[emerald]

I'd think if they had stats in their favor, they would have been blasting them at us during the SB1 sh1t show. Same with news stories. All I ever hear about are criminals doing criminal things. Who'd have thought?.....

 

[Sunrise]

I'd think if they had stats in their favor, they would have been blasting them at us during the SB1 sh1t show. Same with news stories. All I ever hear about are criminals doing criminal things. Who'd have thought?.....

Yup. No doubt on that.

As for the SB1, the State's position is also even more untenable since it didn't enact these laws when Maryland was only a "May Issue" State. You had people carrying then.

I'd also love to hear the State attempt to make the justification now that the State is "Shall Issue" that SB1 is suddenly necessary for public safety.

It's not about safety. It's never been about safety.

 

[Bob A]

It would be interesting to know if any of the attorneys on the county side (or judge) have ever felt a need to defend themselves or their families. I certainly have known attorneys who carried because of threats against them for what they did. Same with judges. So fellows, how do you really feel to be helpless victims? Do you abide? Can you honestly look in the mirror and say you're doing the right thing?

Well, the thing is that they feel they need protection from people like you and me.

They're not so worried about the violent demographic, who are doing them a favor by keeping everyone scared. That makes them easily manipulated by those in charge. Also they take pains to keep the raunchy element out of their neighborhoods.

No, the real enemy is The People, whose lives are being eroded by vile, deliberately stupid policies supported by those in charge. Obviously, Those In Charge know who the real enemy is, and prefer to see them disarmed.

 

[emerald]

Yep, we're pretty much all on the same page here. Can't believe how long this has dragged on. Really inexcusable. I think everyone involved knows what the correct ruling is.

 

[rbird7282]

Also: What makes MoCo's position even more untenable is that they didn't enact these laws when Maryland was only a "May Issue" State. You had people carrying then.

I'd love to hear them attempt to make the justification now that the State is "Shall Issue" that the law is suddenly necessary for public safety.

Exactly, it’s nothing more than revenge against law abiding permit holders because they disagree with the Bruen decision. (And they hate The Constitution)


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[coinboy]

Yup. No doubt on that.

As for the SB1, the State's position is also even more untenable since it didn't enact these laws when Maryland was only a "May Issue" State. You had people carrying then.

I'd also love to hear the State attempt to make the justification now that the State is "Shall Issue" that SB1 is suddenly necessary for public safety.

It's not about safety. It's never been about safety.

Well, if I remember correctly, according to MSP, nobody wanted a permit pre-Bruen.

 

[jc1240]

Well, if I remember correctly, according to MSP, nobody wanted a permit pre-Bruen.

In all honesty, we'd rather not have permits post-Bruen.

 

[swinokur]

It was Frosh, not MSP.

Basically the same thing

 

[Doctor_M]

I had a pre-Bruen permit, and the darned '23ers ruined them.

I kid.
Love, a darned '13er.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Last night i carried in school zones, outside of churches, hospitals, Metro system and more. Wasn’t arrested. I tried.

 

[Occam]

Last night i carried in school zones, outside of churches, hospitals, Metro system and more. Wasn’t arrested. I tried.

Did you try hanging $100 bills out of your back pockets so you'd get attacked? Or just letting your shirt do a Marilyn so a Karilyn could be threatened when the wind blew? I don't think you're doing this right.

 

[Sunrise]

Last night i carried in school zones, outside of churches, hospitals, Metro system and more. Wasn’t arrested. I tried.

You didn’t have your sandwich board sign…

(As mentioned before, it’s a really bad idea, so don’t do it.)

 

[RFBfromDE]

Last night i carried in school zones, outside of churches, hospitals, Metro system and more. Wasn’t arrested. I tried.

Are you saying concealed means concealed?

 

[GBMaryland]

My backyard is a Maryland state park 6 feet beyond the fence. This means that I am well under 100 yards from the park, and that 100 yards covers my entire property.

One assumes that I really need to do is walk around my yard until somebody in the neighborhood, who is a flaming liberal, I see is my carry weapon, loses their shit and calls the police.

 

[pcfixer]

^^^^ Somehow seems ironic. ^^^^^

 

[mac1_131]

Last night i carried in school zones, outside of churches, hospitals, Metro system and more. Wasn’t arrested. I tried.

You forgot your sandwich board sign silly...

 

[Sunrise]

You forgot your sandwich board sign silly...

(Again, please don't do this...)