MD AR Question (Sorry)

[Biggfoot44]

Any complete HBAR rifle ( or other FSA compliant boomstick) , regardless of vintage , no waiting period .

Any reciever ( ie no barrell ) AR-15 is waiting period , regardless of vintage . Rumors abound about certain LGS handling as a Rifle if the lower has a buttstock , but that is incorrect ( usually ) .

A virgin reciever that has never had a Bbl attatched is neither a rifle nor pistol , regardless if totally stripped , or if it has a buttstock , or pistol tube , or whatever .

 

[Pinecone]

Well, you can get a legally get preban lower if it comes with an HBAR ---

lol... and one of my fav MD law oddities.. is a preban does not require a waiting period, while a post pan does -- would love to understand what logical path arrived at that conclusion

#3 -- can a lower owned pre 13' be paired with a post 13' upper? Or does it have to be in its original configuration?

And if so, What if your lower was purchased as a colt lower (pre-13) -- not a full rifle? I have a Colt lower produced in 1994 -- still not clear if it was pre/post 94 ban. Found in one book that it was pre and another that it was post.. but that is superfluous to this thought line

I was talking about the waiting period ...

If you buy a pre 2013 HBAR and have it sent to your FFL - there is no Waiting Period. But if it was produced after 2013, there is the 7 day waiting period.

Which makes no sense to me...

Right... I said you could get a lower with an HBAR... meaning a lower and upper together... a HBAR rifle. And if that HBAR rifle is pre 13' there is no waiting period. If that is not the case, Ive got two FFLs that have made serious boo-boos

No, because if YOU received it after 9/30/13 is it is no longer pre-ban. Pre-ban only applies to the person who purchased it prior to the ban.

An actual pre-ban lower can be paired with any upper, pre- or post-ban. The lower remains pre-ban.

Wrong again, ANY HBAR rifle has no waiting period. It doesn't pre- or post- ban. They never did. Back in the early 90s, pencil barrel ARs had to wait, HBARs did not. Now days the only legal to transfer AR in MD is HBAR (or a non-copy, like piston ARs).

Basically there are NO rifles that have a waiting period. Those what had a waiting period prior to 10/1/13 are banned from transfer in MD.

Yes, you can get a lower with a waiting period by buying a rifle. That has always been the case. Because there are no longer any legal transfers of rifles that used to require a waiting period.

 

[SkiPatrolDude]

File this thread in the "more likely to make people confused" section.

 

[webb297]

File this thread in the "more likely to make people confused" section.

Which was one of the main points the liberals were going for with the laws.

If you cant outright ban all firearms, make it as had to purchase them legally as possible.

 

[SkiPatrolDude]

Which was one of the main points the liberals were going for with the laws.

If you cant outright ban all firearms, make it as had to purchase them legally as possible.

It was actually the NRA (I believe) that fought for and secured the provision to the ban to allow for AR15 Sporter models (HBAR) as an exemption.

We have them to thank for the fact that we maintain any ability whatsoever to own this rifle platform. It still sucks, but it sucks a lot less than it could.

 

[teratos]

It was actually the NRA (I believe) that fought for and secured the provision to the ban to allow for AR15 Sporter models (HBAR) as an exemption.

We have them to thank for the fact that we maintain any ability whatsoever to own this rifle platform. It still sucks, but it sucks a lot less than it could.

A lot of people put in a ton of time. FSA2103 was MUCH better than the original bill. It definitely sucks less.

 

[Bob A]

#3 -- can a lower owned pre 13' be paired with a post 13' upper? Or does it have to be in its original configuration?

And if so, What if your lower was purchased as a colt lower (pre-13) -- not a full rifle? I have a Colt lower produced in 1994 -- still not clear if it was pre/post 94 ban. Found in one book that it was pre and another that it was post.. but that is superfluous to this thought line

It's not when it was made, but when it was acquired. In MD the MSP knows when you bought it; if you were living outside MD you'd need documentation to prove ownership pre-Oct 1 2013.

I have Colt AR bought in 2012; the only thing I can't do is hang a pistol upper on it. I have pre-ban lowers; all were built into pistol config first, so they can go both ways.

 

[tdt91]

A lot of people put in a ton of time. FSA2103 was MUCH better than the original bill. It definitely sucks less.

Thats right Doc. You sure did as well as many others and we very much appreciate it.

 

[smokey]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/sb-...5-position-pistol-stabilizing-brace-sba3.html
Skip the whole rifle thing and just make a pistol of whatever barrel length you want.

 

[teratos]

Thats right Doc. You sure did as well as many others and we very much appreciate it.

You were no stranger, my friend.

 

[dblas]

I'm curious about this as well. I was under the impression that there is no way to legally acquire a pre ban lower. Is there an exception for inheriting one?

A fully assembled, pre-ban rifle is non transferrable with the exception of inheritance and a few other listed exceptions.

A lower, regardless of when it was made, can be transferred anytime. If it is transferred after Oct 1, 2013, it can only have a MD legal upper (HBAR for 5.56/.223) upper attached to it.

 

[dblas]

Well, you can get a legally get preban lower if it comes with an HBAR ---

lol... and one of my fav MD law oddities.. is a preban does not require a waiting period, while a post pan does -- would love to understand what logical path arrived at that conclusion

Post ban HBAR is and has always ben cash and carry, because it was determined to not be a copy of an enumerated regulated (at the time) firearm.

 

[dblas]

#3 -- can a lower owned pre 13' be paired with a post 13' upper? Or does it have to be in its original configuration?

And if so, What if your lower was purchased as a colt lower (pre-13) -- not a full rifle? I have a Colt lower produced in 1994 -- still not clear if it was pre/post 94 ban. Found in one book that it was pre and another that it was post.. but that is superfluous to this thought line

Two different discussions.

First, we are discussing the Maryland ban, not the federal ban, so you 1994 lower is considered Maryland pre-ban. If you owned your 1994 lower before Oct 1, 2013, you can put whatever upper on it you want. If you aquired it after Oct 1, 2013, you are limited to Maryland legal uppers (i.e. HBAR)

 

[dblas]

It was actually the NRA (I believe) that fought for and secured the provision to the ban to allow for AR15 Sporter models (HBAR) as an exemption.

We have them to thank for the fact that we maintain any ability whatsoever to own this rifle platform. It still sucks, but it sucks a lot less than it could.

The exemption carried over in 2013, from the original exemption made back in 1989, when the original regulated rifles list was mad. MSRPA is who we have to thank for that.

 

[dblas]

Thats right Doc. You sure did as well as many others and we very much appreciate it.

And somehow, some of us ended up getting shanghighed into do even more as officers of various 2A groups. Good times back then, we need to get back to that level.

 

[teratos]

And somehow, some of us ended up getting shanghighed into do even more as officers of various 2A groups. Good times back then, we need to get back to that level.

They were indeed good times. I made lifelong friends.

 

[SkiPatrolDude]

The exemption carried over in 2013, from the original exemption made back in 1989, when the original regulated rifles list was mad. MSRPA is who we have to thank for that.

Thank you for clarifying. Certainly realize many on here had a lot to do with this, so no disrespect was intended by giving undue credit.

 

[RRomig]

Two different discussions.

First, we are discussing the Maryland ban, not the federal ban, so you 1994 lower is considered Maryland pre-ban. If you owned your 1994 lower before Oct 1, 2013, you can put whatever upper on it you want. If you aquired it after Oct 1, 2013, you are limited to Maryland legal uppers (i.e. HBAR)

Just for clarification for those just starting out. The HBAR only applies to 223/5.56.

 

[Pinecone]

A fully assembled, pre-ban NON-HBAR rifle is non transferrable with the exception of inheritance and a few other listed exceptions.

A lower, regardless of when it was made, can be transferred anytime. If it is transferred after Oct 1, 2013, it can only have a MD legal upper (HBAR for 5.56/.223) upper attached to it.

Post ban HBAR is and has always ben cash and carry, because it was determined to not be a copy of an enumerated regulated (at the time) firearm.

Minor point. Only a pre-ban NON-HBAR is illegal to transfer. In the original configuration. Change to HBAR barrel or upper, you can transfer it.

Pre-ban HBAR was also cash and carry. Pre-ban non-HBAR was 77r and 7 day wait.

 

[teratos]

Minor point. Only a pre-ban NON-HBAR is illegal to transfer. In the original configuration. Change to HBAR barrel or upper, you can transfer it.

Pre-ban HBAR was also cash and carry. Pre-ban non-HBAR was 77r and 7 day wait.

In 5.56/.223 and DI.