StantonCree
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Sorry I was really just responding to your first sentence. They sure as heck made it harder!
Mayor Bowser Announces Increase in Hiring Bonuses for New MPD Recruits --> $25,000
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Oh but they still are. You see the reason there is high crime is (supposedly) because police are not "closing" cases. At least the is the position of the DC council chair. Personally I think it's because they defunded the police.
Hard to close any cases when the only cases that matter are those aimed at Trump and those who support the Constitution.
The fewer cops and increase in crimes can't produce actual cases if perps can't get arrested in the first place due to lack of support for LEO and a soft on crime leadership.
Sunrise
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No doubt. DC is just a free-for-all right now when it comes to stolen/jacked cars. Pretty soon people will have to disconnect the battery under the hood. Kill switches are the best counter to this short of having a massive influx of police resources to quash the theft rings.
Sunrise
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Posted this earlier in the thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/24/dc-police-hiring-crime/
Other statistics also tell the story: The average response time for top-priority calls is one minute and 40 seconds slower than in 2019. The typical patrol officer is responding to 23 percent more calls than five years ago. To perform tasks deemed mission critical, officers had to work more than 1.1 million overtime hours each of the past three years — the equivalent of about 550 additional officers annually.
What a disaster. "Do more with less" has now crossed the inflection point where it's "Do less with less".
$25,000 is peanuts. If you want to live in the city with a family and be able to have your children spend their school days somewhere that is not the execrable (and grossly overfunded, corrupt and mis-managed) D.C. School system whose payroll is the landing place for many of its graduates, you need money. A $25,000 signing bonus won't get you far. At one point, when the District required its officers to reside in the District, a popular affordable Southeast neighborhood was Naylor Gardens. Good luck finding anything affordable in a safe part of D.C. anymore.
"Housing assistance." How wonderful to recognize that elephant in the room.
At least they have come to the understanding that money is an issue. The object lesson of what happens to cities that let housing become unaffordable for essential public workers has been shown in the Silicon Valley and SFO region, in New York and elsewhere.
"Housing assistance." How wonderful to recognize that elephant in the room.
At least they have come to the understanding that money is an issue. The object lesson of what happens to cities that let housing become unaffordable for essential public workers has been shown in the Silicon Valley and SFO region, in New York and elsewhere.
Meanwhile, as I saw last night.
Balto City is advertising. I saw the message and salary advertised at $61k with a 10K signing bonus, So generous only to get the royal treatment of the lowest of life forms plus run the chance of death by squeegee kids or gangs etc.
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Sunrise
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IIRC, Montgomery County and Anne Arundel County are offering a 20K bonus for new police hires, so DC is a bit higher than they are.
$20,000 bonus to be offered to Montgomery County Police recruits
Montgomery County and the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge #35 are offering a $20,000 bonus to new sworn police recruits.
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I do everything possible to avoid being in Baltimore for any reason. It's an absolute cess pool.
****Ok. $25,000 is peanuts. How much *should* it be to attract the best and brightest candidates to be part of the D.C. police force so the criminal problem either goes away, or is sharply curtailed so South East D.C. becomes as safe as Potomac, MD, or Mclean Virginia, etc? Where Naylor Gardens in D.C. is clean, orderly, and full of productive citizens looking out for each other and people want to move there to live and raise their kids, etc..?
How much would it take?
Biggfoot44
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Money alone can't do it ( at least not without stupid big money ) .
Sunrise
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Here's my vision of stupid big money:
Double the size of the police force.
Triple the number of DC jails.
Have the current US Attorney for DC fired and replaced in the next election.
Biggfoot44
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And if had wings , could fly .
Replace the US Attorney and the City Council with law & order conservatives . Not gonna happen .
Build 3 times as many prisons ? 3 times zero is still zero. D.C. convicted Felons have been going to Federal facilities since 1997 . ( Lorton started emptying in mid '90s , last prisoners left in '01 ).
Hire twice the Officers? Either twice current or twice authorized, not gonna happen. As mentioned above in the thread , all the surrounding major jurisdictions can't Hire enough either, out of the same pool .
It's the nationwide anti police sentiments and policies everywhere, turned up to 11 in D.C .
Officers and potential candidates can deal simply with high crime . Plenty of people would thrive ( at least for part of their careers ) from the action , and a sense of purpose. But active anti support from city government and community are a non starter.
Stupid money = $200K plus OT starting salary , and $500K bonus for 5 years service.
****Fine. Stupid big money - lots and lots of money.. Will that solve the crime problem and make D.C. safe like other cities with much lower crime rates for the same population density?
What has to be done? Plenty of countries with similar populations in their cities make do with a *lot* less police than we have in D.C. now, and they don't have the carjackings, murders, rapes, and violent crime like we do here - it isn't even close.
Social engineers discuss this stuff some, and they seem to feel (because they often don't think I guess) that simply removing people from these cesspools of crime and moving them to the suburbs will lower the crime rates in the city and the values of the people in the suburbs will somehow pass on to the former city folks and make them fine upstanding citizens we would all love as neighbors, friends, and guests to our homes... <-----This does NOT seem to be working all that well, at least here in my area - but mebbe just like Communism, it hasn't been done *right* yet..
Dunno if money alone will solve this problem. It will most likely require a major change in how policing is done in that area as well as insuring criminals go to jail and stay there if needed. Kind of like a time out for children that have behaved badly - but jail time instead of just taking away their juice boxes and video games - I mean take those away too, but also jail. Lotsa jail.
Probably gonna take more than just money.
****Fine. Will this solve the problem? Would the best and brightest cops around be able to fix the problem if we paid them that kind of money? Would we have better cops? Less crime?
****Fine. Stupid big money - lots and lots of money.. Will that solve the crime problem and make D.C. safe like other cities with much lower crime rates for the same population density?
What has to be done? Plenty of countries with similar populations in their cities make do with a *lot* less police than we have in D.C. now, and they don't have the carjackings, murders, rapes, and violent crime like we do here - it isn't even close.
Social engineers discuss this stuff some, and they seem to feel (because they often don't think I guess) that simply removing people from these cesspools of crime and moving them to the suburbs will lower the crime rates in the city and the values of the people in the suburbs will somehow pass on to the former city folks and make them fine upstanding citizens we would all love as neighbors, friends, and guests to our homes... <-----This does NOT seem to be working all that well, at least here in my area - but mebbe just like Communism, it hasn't been done *right* yet..
Dunno if money alone will solve this problem. It will most likely require a major change in how policing is done in that area as well as insuring criminals go to jail and stay there if needed. Kind of like a time out for children that have behaved badly - but jail time instead of just taking away their juice boxes and video games - I mean take those away too, but also jail. Lotsa jail.
Probably gonna take more than just money.
Max and everyone else.
I won't add my usual long winded, much thought, written and revised and revised again norm.
But as I was reading your post and the ones of Bigfoot and Sunrise, the immediate thought that shot into my brain was hmmmmm, DC/FJB via our taxes has plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$ to spend on China, Ukraine, Russia, North Korea, and new Hispanic voting Amigos, Why is it so hard to finance law and order?
Sunrise
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I think you're confusing the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia with the Attorney General for the District of Columbia.
United States Attorney for the District of Columbia - Wikipedia
--> Appointed by the President of the United States
Unlike the states, District of Columbia is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress. By statute, the U.S. Attorney is responsible for prosecuting both federal crimes and all serious crimes committed by adults in the District of Columbia. Therefore, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia serves as both the federal prosecutor (as in the other 92 U.S. Attorneys' offices) and as the local district attorney. The Attorney General of the District of Columbia, who is elected by the people of the District, handles local civil litigation and minor infractions, comparable with a City Attorney.
Because its jurisdiction covers the precincts of the United States Congress and the headquarters of several U.S. Government agencies, the USADC is considered one of the most influential U.S. Attorneys in the United States, along with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Appointment to the role is considered a significant career achievement for prosecutors.
Matthew M. Graves Takes Office as United States Attorney
WASHINGTON – Matthew M. Graves took office today as United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. He succeeds Channing D. Phillips, who had been serving as Acting U.S. Attorney since March 3, 2021.
www.justice.gov
VS
Attorney General for the District of Columbia - Wikipedia
--> Elected by the people of the District.
DC has a jail, not a prison. It needs "more jails and less bails".
D.C. Jail - Wikipedia
Biggfoot44
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Nope . Not without the other changes ( the less crime part). That much money would entice candidates not otherwise inclined for the field .
For historical parallel , the Shanghai Municipal Police in the Fairburn - Sykes Era paid entry level beat cops more than the NYPD Comishner of the time .
The Stupid Money thing was facetious to address the MPD manpower in a vacuum .
****So, the answer is no. The stupid money thing won't solve the problem. I'm sure there are criminal Justice researchers that have studied this problem to death, and probably have some great ideas - but the political will is simply not there yet for those ideas to be put in place in a society that seems to think that race and racial politics is the defining social issue of our society instead of addressing poverty, and remarkably poor policy decisions that have led to de facto tolerating execrable behavior from citizens that should be forced to serve out their sentences in toto, and if the death penalty is warranted - for it to be carried out expeditiously.
There are a small minority of criminals that just need to be taken out of society - perhaps permanently - and made examples of so others see what happens to people who refuse to abide by laws that most people thankfully follow. Otherwise, we have a breakdown in society, especially polite society - and safe haven fiefdoms end up being established like in South Africa, or other countries where a *major* uptick in crime caused by crummy government is causing that country to come apart.
Eventually, the pendulum will swing towards more aggressive policing, more prisons/jails, and much harsher punishments for those guilty of the more heinous crimes people fear. Wealthier people can afford to move to safer places (and there are safer places..) if they feel things aren't getting better, or hire security, put up fences, checkpoints, or whatever. Poorer or less wealthy not so much.
The police are the front line, but it's policy makers, and the judicial system working behind the scenes that have made the front lines jobs a LOT harder with just letting people go, or plea bargaining down, etc... That will eventually change - many people are already fed up with the increases in crime even in liberal MoCo and discussing "punishment" vs "rehabilitation" - something I never thought I would hear amongst several of my liberal friends.
Money won't solve this problem - it can help, but others things will absolutely have to be done. There will always be poverty, but insuring people are safe in their neighborhoods and homes by removing the worst criminals will markedly increase chances of being able to live life without fear of becoming a crime victim.
You might add the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. Big anti-terror venue, as you probably know.I think you're confusing the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia with the Attorney General for the District of Columbia.
United States Attorney for the District of Columbia - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
--> Appointed by the President of the United States
Unlike the states, District of Columbia is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress. By statute, the U.S. Attorney is responsible for prosecuting both federal crimes and all serious crimes committed by adults in the District of Columbia. Therefore, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia serves as both the federal prosecutor (as in the other 92 U.S. Attorneys' offices) and as the local district attorney. The Attorney General of the District of Columbia, who is elected by the people of the District, handles local civil litigation and minor infractions, comparable with a City Attorney.
Because its jurisdiction covers the precincts of the United States Congress and the headquarters of several U.S. Government agencies, the USADC is considered one of the most influential U.S. Attorneys in the United States, along with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Appointment to the role is considered a significant career achievement for prosecutors.
Matthew M. Graves Takes Office as United States Attorney
WASHINGTON – Matthew M. Graves took office today as United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. He succeeds Channing D. Phillips, who had been serving as Acting U.S. Attorney since March 3, 2021.
VS
Attorney General for the District of Columbia - Wikipedia
--> Elected by the people of the District.
DC has a jail, not a prison. It needs "more jails and less bails".
D.C. Jail - Wikipedia
Biggfoot44
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The general outlines are not a mystery. The politicians and tame experts are deliberately doing the opposite.
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