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  • erwos

    The Hebrew Hammer
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    Mar 25, 2009
    13,884
    Rockville, MD
    I absolutely concur with Blaster that "how it feels in the hand" is a questionable metric. Things that are, I think, more quantitative:
    1. Can I reach the trigger with my finger pad? (especially for smaller people)
    2. Can I access the slide release with my strong hand thumb (righties) or trigger finger (lefties)?
    3. Can I access the magazine release with acceptable hand movement?
    4. Is the trigger weight and pull length acceptable for my intended purpose and accuracy needs?
    5. Is the grip conducive to a high-hold grip?
    6. Do the mags drop free when you are gripping it hard?

    I'm going to tell you a secret: I don't like the way my P365Xs feel and I don't like the way they recoil. However, I shoot them very well anyways, because it turns out that "feels good in the hand" matters very, very little for actual shooting performance compared to the above considerations. I can pick up a Glock, a 2011, a P365, a P320, a Jericho... it doesn't matter. They're all handguns. You aim and pull the trigger. It's just that most people never learn that whole aiming and pulling the trigger thing very well.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
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    May 12, 2005
    22,893
    Socialist State of Maryland
    definition of "snappy"

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    (stolen from another thread)
    Excellent example of poor hold.
     

    RFBfromDE

    W&C MD, UT, PA
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    Aug 21, 2022
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    The Land of Pleasant Living

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
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    Jul 29, 2014
    49,963
    Huh? Gun ranges legitimately do this every day without hesitation.
    More and more, only if you have held a membership. Noobs are never allowed to rent guns at pay ranges(at least the ranges that have experienced suicides).
     

    joppaj

    Sheepdog
    Staff member
    Moderator
    Apr 11, 2008
    46,650
    MD
    I rented a gun last week (Glen Burnie). I asked if I needed to bring a gun to rent a gun and the girl looked at me like I was crazy.
    That's surprising. Few places will do that anymore.
     

    Mike444

    About to be a CZ guy
    Dec 30, 2012
    61
    Parkton
    If you’re willing to drive up to Owings Mills to guntry, I have a hellcat original, Glock 43x and a 365x you’re welcome to try out

    In addition to my newly purchased P365X I own and mostly carry my P365X Macro. I'm just 5-6 and 155lbs and have no problem conceal carrying the Macro. I bot the 365X for the warmer tee shirt and shorts weather. But we will see.

    Happy to join you all at Guntry sometime.
     

    DocPeanut

    Ultimate Member
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    Sep 20, 2010
    2,413
    In addition to my newly purchased P365X I own and mostly carry my P365X Macro. I'm just 5-6 and 155lbs and have no problem conceal carrying the Macro. I bot the 365X for the warmer tee shirt and shorts weather. But we will see.

    Happy to join you all at Guntry sometime.
    That would be awesome. Send a PM and we can work out the details
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    49,963
    I rented a gun last week (Glen Burnie). I asked if I needed to bring a gun to rent a gun and the girl looked at me like I was crazy.
    And you don't have an existing membership?

    I would think their liability insurers would have set guidelines.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    33,108
    Yea, I love my Sig 1911U. Most call it a “ultra compact” even though it’s the size of a Colt Commander.

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    No . Not the size of a Commander . If anything . it is inspired by the Auto Ordnance Pitbull .

    Of the various Commander / Officers Hybrids , the so called Lt Commanders probably make the most sense , with the short Officer's length frame , and the ( 4.25 ) Commander upper . For IWB , the bbl length is negligible , and shorter butt . Plus 4.25 is as short as a "1911" can go , and retain a semblance of JMG geometry .
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    33,108
    Minor expansion to EROS's list #1 -
    The gun size vs hand size things go both ways .

    With big hands and micro guns , the trigger to backstrap can be too short to get finger placement on the gun .
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
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    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,886
    Check out a CZ P01 or PCR. The primary difference is the first has a rail.

    DA/SA with a decocker, so function will be familiar. About the size of a Glock 19. For me the grip feels like it melts into my hand.

    2a Sales in Jessup usually has them in stock.

    I'll second this, being fond of CZ myself.

    I particularly like the DA/SA aspect, along with the decocker. It presents me with a stiffer trigger pull for the first shot, but because when loaded, one de-cocks the pistol, returning it to half-cock, the pull is not as heavy as might be expected. This removes for me the need for a safety, which means it's that much less I have to program into muscle memory. Draw, point, fire. In an adrenalin-fueled encounter, one might find that fine motor skills are overwhelmed anyway, so the stiffer trigger pull makes little difference.

    If you like the idea of a light on your pistol, the P01 allows for mounting one. Nice for a home defense gun.

    The size is not excessive for carry, though it's no feather. The extra mass does contribute to a far more pleasant gun to fire, which is not a bad thing, and certainly tames recoil. You are going to train with your pistol, and are likely to appreciate this aspect as skills develop.

    The extra length may make it more concealable than some of the smaller guns; counter-intuitive, but the barrel length assists in levering the grip closer to your body.

    My original reason for buying a P01 a decade ago was its reliability. The NATO test regimen was pretty brutal, and the pistol treated it like a walk in the park. Important to me in a self-defense arm.
    (https://cz-usa.com/cz-p-01-gets-nato-approval-the-next-generation-of-perfect-pistols/)

    And as Bullfrog notes, the pistol seems to play well with human hand anatomy. It seems every CZ owner wants to mention this.
     

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