ISO, permit holders who regularly go to State parks and State forest lands and Chesapeake Forest lands

[lazarus]

Just because the curiosity is driving me nuts, what is the actual difference in the three?

Purpose and naming. State forests are managed for resource extraction as well as secondary uses like hunting, fishing, and camping. Parks are not managed for resource extraction, but recreation and preservation. CFL are managed for logging and a large percentage for hunting leases, which other forests are not (no hunting leases in other states forests IIRC).

 

[Boondock Saint]

I'm hopeful that MSI won't have any trouble finding enough quality plaintiffs to attack these absurd laws.

 

[Park ranger]

Go get em!

 

[coinboy]

Purpose and naming. State forests are managed for resource extraction as well as secondary uses like hunting, fishing, and camping. Parks are not managed for resource extraction, but recreation and preservation. CFL are managed for logging and a large percentage for hunting leases, which other forests are not (no hunting leases in other states forests IIRC).

Thank you.

 

[Robertjeter]

I frequent (visit&hunt) WMA’s on the shore, Chesapeake Forest lands (Foster tract) on Snow Hill rd and Pocomoke state forest, and Assateague national seashore and state park. Live on E shore.


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[DeadInside]

Just because the curiosity is driving me nuts, what is the actual difference in the three?

Like most everything the Government is involved in unnecessarily complicated and overdone. There should be just four designations; State Parks, State Forests, Wildlife Management Areas, and Fisheries Management Areas. Everything else should be managed under WMAs.

From the Annual Acreage Report posted on the DNR website may be helpful for the OP in his efforts:

Land Unit Designations
DNR’s land units are designated according to their significance, resource management practices, and recreational focus, or by a special act enacted by the Maryland General Assembly. For reference in this document, the different land unit designations or types are briefly discussed below.
The State Park System is administered under the jurisdiction of the Maryland Park Service (MPS) unit to preserve and protect the best of Maryland's natural and historic places for the enjoyment and appreciation of its citizens. The State Park System includes five designations/sub-designations that have specific management objectives. For more information on amenities offered by each site, please visit dnr.maryland.gov/publiclands/Documents/MD_StateParksMap-Amenities.pdf.
- State Parks (SP) are managed to provide a multitude of public benefits, including natural resource conservation, cultural and historic preservation, watershed protection, education and nature-based outdoor recreation, including picnicking, boating, camping, cabins, hunting, fishing and swimming.
- Natural Resources Management Areas (NRMA) are generally state parks that feature an undeveloped, landscape of woodlands, fields and agriculture. These areas are managed for the primary benefit of wildlife habitat, sustainable farming and passive, nature-based recreation, such as hunting, fishing, wildlife observation and boat access. Historic site preservation and non-motorized trail use, including hiking, equestrian uses and mountain biking are also common.
- Natural Environment Areas (NEA) are generally state parks with significant or unique geological or ecological resources, including rare, threatened and endangered flora and fauna. These areas are often managed in cooperation with the Department’s Wildlife and Heritage Service (WHS) to preserve and restore the park's unique natural resources and biological diversity. Recreational development is secondary to preservation objectives with a primary focus on interpretation and environmental education.
- State Battlefields (SB) are state parks that feature the preservation of an historic battlefield of state or national significance. Development is limited to providing public access and interpretation, while preserving the integrity of the battlefield grounds and historic features.
- Rail Trails (RT) are state parks that feature the conversion of a former railroad right-of-way to a recreational trail open to hiking, biking and equestrian uses. These include adjacent lands preserved along the trail as a greenway corridor, which provides natural scenery, wildlife habitat and natural and historical resource conservation. Historic features are preserved and interpreted along these trails, including the history of the former railroad and its remnants.
The State Forest System includes five categories of lands and facilities operated in support of managing, protecting, and restoring Maryland’s public and private forestlands. All of these areas are administered under the jurisdiction of the Maryland Forest Service (MFS):
- A State Forest (SF) is managed for multiple purposes, including water quality protection, wildlife enhancement, sustainable forest products, scenic and natural beauty, and low-intensity recreation. State forests are distinguished by larger acreages managed in accord with independent third-party forest certification standards established by the Sustainable Forestry Initiative (SFI) and the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC). Several State Wildlands and Heritage Conservation Fund sites are located within the state forests and are managed for their unique natural features and values as part of the State Forest System.
- A Demonstration Forest is managed to achieve the same broad purposes as a state forest, with a specific emphasis on implementing forest management practices for demonstration purposes for the state’s private woodland owners. These areas are distinguished by smaller acreages and are not included in the state’s SFI- FSC forest certification certificate.
- The John S. Ayton Tree Nursery produces a variety of bare-root tree seedling species for forest conservation plantings on private and public lands.
- The Chesapeake Forest Lands were specifically acquired to be retained as working forest lands to produce sustainable forest products and help maintain local employment, as well as to protect traditional outdoor recreational opportunities on Maryland’s Eastern Shore. All use and management of these lands are
Acreage Report 2022 Page 4

implemented in accordance with the purposes of sustainable forestry and the state’s SFI-FSC forest certification requirements.
- Forest Fire Tower (FT) sites were constructed in the early part of the 20th century as part of Maryland forest protection efforts, with the purpose of quickly detecting forest fires and reducing fire danger to the public. As time progressed, with the expansion of road networks and improved communications technology, several Fire Towers were converted to platforms for communications equipment. In addition, several Forest Service field offices are co-located and operated on the same site as Fire Tower locations.
A Wildlife Management Area (WMA), administered by WHS, focuses on wildlife management activities and low intensity wildlife-related recreation. These areas were acquired by the state to protect, propagate, or manage wildlife, or for hunting purposes. At the Department’s discretion, these areas may be open to nature-based outdoor recreational activities, including hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and wildlife watching. Many areas were purchased with federal funds that restrict intensive development and certain types of outdoor recreational activities that impact wildlife-dependent areas.
A Fishery Management Area (FMA) is maintained to support fishery resources, operate fish culture facilities, or
provide access for fishing and other outdoor recreational activities. The areas may also provide protection from development or deforestation for sensitive or high quality watersheds. These areas are managed by Fishing and Boating.

- Fishery Management Propagation Areas include all state fish hatcheries, culture stations and related resources and assets. Some areas also include offices for Freshwater Fisheries Regional Operations. These areas are reserved for fish production and management activities required to meet core objectives.
- Fishery Management Public Fishing Areas (PFA) include impoundments and stream access areas that provide angling and other outdoor recreational opportunities such as boating, hiking and picnicking. These areas may include amenities such as boat launches, bathroom facilities, picnic areas, fishing platforms or decks, parking areas and access paths or trails. Impoundments typically include dam structures and associated valves and spillways. Fish passage structures are present at some dams.
Other Designations used in this document:
The Maryland Wildlands Preservation System is the state's counterpart to the federal government's National Wilderness Preservation System. Protected properties are designated as state wildlands by the Maryland General Assembly. A State Wildland is a special protected area established by legislation that "overlays” all or part of a state park, forest, wildlife management area or other land unit. There are over 65,956 acres of Wildlands in the state that are recognized as containing wilderness characteristics and otherwise outstanding and unique natural features worthy of preservation. There are three types of wildlands defined; currently only types 1 and 2 have been identified in the Maryland Wildlands Preservation System.
(1) Type I Wildland means a primitive area which by its size and location is in effect untouched by urban civilization and can offer the experience of solitude and self-reliance. Type I wildlands are usually lands located at higher elevations that protect watersheds and are ecologically vulnerable to human interferences.
(2) Type II Wildland means a unit of importance for natural sciences and ecology with outstanding value for education, research, and appreciation of natural processes. Preservation of the desired natural condition is the prevailing purpose of the Type II wildlands.
(3) Type III Wildland means an area which is not of ecological or primitive stature but has the appearance of being in an untouched natural state.
An Undesignated Land Unit is a property that often is under a special management or partnership arrangement with another government or nonprofit entity or may also include newly acquired properties that are
A Fishery Management Area (FMA) is maintained to support fishery resources, operate fish culture facilities, or
provide access for fishing and other outdoor recreational activities. The areas may also provide protection from development or deforestation for sensitive or high quality watersheds. These areas are managed by Fishing and Boating Services.
A Heritage Conservation Site is a property that has been acquired specifically for the protection of identified endangered plant or animal species and significant habitats. These sites are found within and managed by Department land units.
Marine/Communication Facilities are properties that include law enforcement communications facilities as well as water access sites. These sites can be under a special management or partnership arrangement with multiple Department units, another government agency or nonprofit entity.
Acreage Report 2022 Page 5

undergoing or have yet to undergo a public involvement and planning process; the recommendations in a

 

[Blacksmith101]

Like most everything the Government is involved in unnecessarily complicated and overdone. There should be just four designations; State Parks, State Forests, Wildlife Management Areas, and Fisheries Management Areas. Everything else should be managed under WMAs.

From the Annual Acreage Report posted on the DNR website may be helpful for the OP in his efforts:

Land Unit Designations
DNR’s land units are designated according to their significance, resource management practices, and recreational focus, or by a special act enacted by the Maryland General Assembly. For reference in this document, the different land unit designations or types are briefly discussed below.
The State Park System is administered under the jurisdiction of the Maryland Park Service (MPS) unit to preserve and protect the best of Maryland's natural and historic places for the enjoyment and appreciation of its citizens. The State Park System includes five designations/sub-designations that have specific management objectives. For more information on amenities offered by each site, please visit dnr.maryland.gov/publiclands/Documents/MD_StateParksMap-Amenities.pdf.
- State Parks (SP) are managed to provide a multitude of public benefits, including natural resource conservation, cultural and historic preservation, watershed protection, education and nature-based outdoor recreation, including picnicking, boating, camping, cabins, hunting, fishing and swimming.
- Natural Resources Management Areas (NRMA) are generally state parks that feature an undeveloped, landscape of woodlands, fields and agriculture. These areas are managed for the primary benefit of wildlife habitat, sustainable farming and passive, nature-based recreation, such as hunting, fishing, wildlife observation and boat access. Historic site preservation and non-motorized trail use, including hiking, equestrian uses and mountain biking are also common.
- Natural Environment Areas (NEA) are generally state parks with significant or unique geological or ecological resources, including rare, threatened and endangered flora and fauna. These areas are often managed in cooperation with the Department’s Wildlife and Heritage Service (WHS) to preserve and restore the park's unique natural resources and biological diversity. Recreational development is secondary to preservation objectives with a primary focus on interpretation and environmental education.
- State Battlefields (SB) are state parks that feature the preservation of an historic battlefield of state or national significance. Development is limited to providing public access and interpretation, while preserving the integrity of the battlefield grounds and historic features.
- Rail Trails (RT) are state parks that feature the conversion of a former railroad right-of-way to a recreational trail open to hiking, biking and equestrian uses. These include adjacent lands preserved along the trail as a greenway corridor, which provides natural scenery, wildlife habitat and natural and historical resource conservation. Historic features are preserved and interpreted along these trails, including the history of the former railroad and its remnants.
The State Forest System includes five categories of lands and facilities operated in support of managing, protecting, and restoring Maryland’s public and private forestlands. All of these areas are administered under the jurisdiction of the Maryland Forest Service (MFS):
- A State Forest (SF) is managed for multiple purposes, including water quality protection, wildlife enhancement, sustainable forest products, scenic and natural beauty, and low-intensity recreation. State forests are distinguished by larger acreages managed in accord with independent third-party forest certification standards established by the Sustainable Forestry Initiative (SFI) and the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC). Several State Wildlands and Heritage Conservation Fund sites are located within the state forests and are managed for their unique natural features and values as part of the State Forest System.
- A Demonstration Forest is managed to achieve the same broad purposes as a state forest, with a specific emphasis on implementing forest management practices for demonstration purposes for the state’s private woodland owners. These areas are distinguished by smaller acreages and are not included in the state’s SFI- FSC forest certification certificate.
- The John S. Ayton Tree Nursery produces a variety of bare-root tree seedling species for forest conservation plantings on private and public lands.
- The Chesapeake Forest Lands were specifically acquired to be retained as working forest lands to produce sustainable forest products and help maintain local employment, as well as to protect traditional outdoor recreational opportunities on Maryland’s Eastern Shore. All use and management of these lands are
Acreage Report 2022 Page 4

implemented in accordance with the purposes of sustainable forestry and the state’s SFI-FSC forest certification requirements.
- Forest Fire Tower (FT) sites were constructed in the early part of the 20th century as part of Maryland forest protection efforts, with the purpose of quickly detecting forest fires and reducing fire danger to the public. As time progressed, with the expansion of road networks and improved communications technology, several Fire Towers were converted to platforms for communications equipment. In addition, several Forest Service field offices are co-located and operated on the same site as Fire Tower locations.
A Wildlife Management Area (WMA), administered by WHS, focuses on wildlife management activities and low intensity wildlife-related recreation. These areas were acquired by the state to protect, propagate, or manage wildlife, or for hunting purposes. At the Department’s discretion, these areas may be open to nature-based outdoor recreational activities, including hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and wildlife watching. Many areas were purchased with federal funds that restrict intensive development and certain types of outdoor recreational activities that impact wildlife-dependent areas.
A Fishery Management Area (FMA) is maintained to support fishery resources, operate fish culture facilities, or
provide access for fishing and other outdoor recreational activities. The areas may also provide protection from development or deforestation for sensitive or high quality watersheds. These areas are managed by Fishing and Boating.

- Fishery Management Propagation Areas include all state fish hatcheries, culture stations and related resources and assets. Some areas also include offices for Freshwater Fisheries Regional Operations. These areas are reserved for fish production and management activities required to meet core objectives.
- Fishery Management Public Fishing Areas (PFA) include impoundments and stream access areas that provide angling and other outdoor recreational opportunities such as boating, hiking and picnicking. These areas may include amenities such as boat launches, bathroom facilities, picnic areas, fishing platforms or decks, parking areas and access paths or trails. Impoundments typically include dam structures and associated valves and spillways. Fish passage structures are present at some dams.
Other Designations used in this document:
The Maryland Wildlands Preservation System is the state's counterpart to the federal government's National Wilderness Preservation System. Protected properties are designated as state wildlands by the Maryland General Assembly. A State Wildland is a special protected area established by legislation that "overlays” all or part of a state park, forest, wildlife management area or other land unit. There are over 65,956 acres of Wildlands in the state that are recognized as containing wilderness characteristics and otherwise outstanding and unique natural features worthy of preservation. There are three types of wildlands defined; currently only types 1 and 2 have been identified in the Maryland Wildlands Preservation System.
(1) Type I Wildland means a primitive area which by its size and location is in effect untouched by urban civilization and can offer the experience of solitude and self-reliance. Type I wildlands are usually lands located at higher elevations that protect watersheds and are ecologically vulnerable to human interferences.
(2) Type II Wildland means a unit of importance for natural sciences and ecology with outstanding value for education, research, and appreciation of natural processes. Preservation of the desired natural condition is the prevailing purpose of the Type II wildlands.
(3) Type III Wildland means an area which is not of ecological or primitive stature but has the appearance of being in an untouched natural state.
An Undesignated Land Unit is a property that often is under a special management or partnership arrangement with another government or nonprofit entity or may also include newly acquired properties that are
A Fishery Management Area (FMA) is maintained to support fishery resources, operate fish culture facilities, or
provide access for fishing and other outdoor recreational activities. The areas may also provide protection from development or deforestation for sensitive or high quality watersheds. These areas are managed by Fishing and Boating Services.
A Heritage Conservation Site is a property that has been acquired specifically for the protection of identified endangered plant or animal species and significant habitats. These sites are found within and managed by Department land units.
Marine/Communication Facilities are properties that include law enforcement communications facilities as well as water access sites. These sites can be under a special management or partnership arrangement with multiple Department units, another government agency or nonprofit entity.
Acreage Report 2022 Page 5

undergoing or have yet to undergo a public involvement and planning process; the recommendations in a

Thank you for that explanation. I have lived adjacent to a NMRA for 40 years and am a visitor multiple times daily and now know the proper description of what it is.

 

[esqappellate]

I frequent (visit&hunt) WMA’s on the shore, Chesapeake Forest lands (Foster tract) on Snow Hill rd and Pocomoke state forest, and Assateague national seashore and state park. Live on E shore.


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Please send me an email with details at mpennak@marylandshallissue.org. Are you a permit holder? A MSI member? DNR regs ban carry on such property (outside of ranges and hunting). Would you carry but for the DNR regs?

 

[esqappellate]

What would you need to prove? Because as a veteran thanks to Hogan I no longer have to pay for access to parks.

That you go to one or more of these locations, that you are a MSI member, that you have a carry permit, that you would carry with your permit but for the DNR regs that ban carry (outside of hunting and target ranges)

 

[Micktaco]

No need for this suite because state parks are 100% safe from getting murdered at …

Five Suspects Arrested For The Murder Of A Missing Frederick Teenager

His remains were found near Gambrill State Park in April. Frederick, Md (KM) Five people have been charged with the death of a missing Frederick teenager. The five, identified as Alexix Alfredo Ayala Lopez, 22, Jose Roberto Ramos Lopez, 23, Ismael Lopez Lopez, 29, Elmer Bladimar Reyes Reyes, 27

www.wfmd.com

 

[budman93]

No need for this suite because state parks are 100% safe from getting murdered at …

Five Suspects Arrested For The Murder Of A Missing Frederick Teenager

His remains were found near Gambrill State Park in April. Frederick, Md (KM) Five people have been charged with the death of a missing Frederick teenager. The five, identified as Alexix Alfredo Ayala Lopez, 22, Jose Roberto Ramos Lopez, 23, Ismael Lopez Lopez, 29, Elmer Bladimar Reyes Reyes, 27

www.wfmd.com

Seriously. I go to gambrill a lot and its usually fine although there have been a couple times when there have been suspicious characters that dont look like they belong on a hiking trail. With stuff like this going on i'd really like to be able to use all my rights when I'm there. I'm very glad that was added to the sb1 lawsuit.

 

[blacklab25]

I lease CFL property and also own private land which my legal right of way goes thru the CFL. I guess I have to disarm and can rearm when I enter my prooerty. What about Somers Cove in Crisfield? Its owned by the state(used to be private) but not listed as a park.

 

[dontpanic]

Liberty Reservoir is patrolled by DNR, but owned by the city. Does anyone know exactly where is falls into the prohibited/non-prohibited categorization?

I’ve never carried there because I wasn’t quite sure and my googling/search of these forums was unable to resolve this. I would definitely carry there if I could. Apologies for the thread drift.

You cannot carry in city parks but the reservoir is controlled by the Department of Public Works. I have never found the answer to your question, but it does not prohibit carry anywhere on the DPW website.
I live close to Lovh Raven and spend a lot of time there.

 

[E.Shell]

This is a big one for my Wife and me,, we like to hike and remote fish,, but at our age not comfortable without "carrying",, one of the reasons we wanted to get the W&C permit,, but it would be useless with the ban.

I'm in the same boat...getting too old with too many serious ailments to feel comfortable in many places.

I used to go to Green Ridge State Forest a LOT to camp, hunt and fish. As I've gotten older, I'm more conscious of the risk I take being out there alone with no means of protection. Rifle hunting isn't a concern due to having a rifle, but archery and fishing leave me substantially unarmed and I cannot feel comfortable going unless someone goes with me, which is not always feasible.

Bans at county/city parks and similar facilities are actually worse for me, since most of the public-access boat launches around home are in these parks. I used to take my canoe out alone a lot, but these areas have become hangouts for drug users and other potentially dangerous people and it's become very risky to fish all day and come back in at dusk. Last time I was out alone, when I came back in, the only other car in the lot was parked right next to my truck and I had to pass very closely to 5-6 people just hanging around that car and my vehicle. The good news is that I probably look and act like I'd be armed.

 

[Threeband]

I drive through Patapsco State Park very frequently, especially on Marriottsville Road #2. I'm not stopping, though: it's a major commuting route.