Iron Sight question

[Qbeam]

MDS brain-trust,

I have Tech Sights on a couple of 10/22s (Rail mounted series, versus receiver mounted), and I noticed that I need to move the rear sight to the left (looking forward) off from the centerline to get accurate groupings. It looks more left than normal but the groupings are good. I still have some left windage, but just looks odd. I noticed the same on an M1 Carbine I own which is off to the left as well on the rear sight.

Is it my vision that is causing the rear sight to need more left windage correction? Or is it my cheekweld?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.


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[Jed195]

If it is more than one gun I would guess its you. But at least its consistent. You could leadsled the rifles for a good sight in then try shooting again from the shoulder and see if the grouping changes.

 

[bibitor]

This may not be related, but do you shoot with your dominant eye?

 

[Qbeam]

This may not be related, but do you shoot with your dominant eye?

Yes, left-handed, and right-eye dominant, shooting right-handed.

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[bibitor]

I am right-handed, left-eye dominant, and shoot rifles left-handed. I often have to adjust my sights to the right to center my point of impact. Could just be a strange coincidence, or there may be something about using the non-dominant hand. My knowledge on this ends at speculation, but I'm interested to hear if there are other theories.

 

[Doco Overboard]

MDS brain-trust,

I have Tech Sights on a couple of 10/22s (Rail mounted series, versus receiver mounted), and I noticed that I need to move the rear sight to the left (looking forward) off from the centerline to get accurate groupings. It looks more left than normal but the groupings are good. I still have some left windage, but just looks odd. I noticed the same on an M1 Carbine I own which is off to the left as well on the rear sight.

Is it my vision that is causing the rear sight to need more left windage correction? Or is it my cheekweld?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.


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When you get a sight picture can you say where your focus is?
You should focus on the front sight and be able to see it crisply and clearly. and clean. Every time without fail.

If its a partridge style rear sight, available light can effect how you get your sight picture. (I don't know what tech sights are)

When using peep sights, from a bench or field position, remember center- center- center. Move your body to align sights and achieve natural point of aim so you don't have to keep over-correcting your hold which will cause you to rush the shot and result in inconsistency.

If your bench shooting, body position and how your chest contacts the leading edge of the bench can have an influence on point of impact.
What happens is the way the rifles "jumps" and how you control recoil can influence POI and be the cause for making sight adjustments.

Also, to control jump, a forearm rested on a hard surface versus a padded one will influence sight adjustment but in most instances it will appear as vertical stringing but may also appear as a flyer or a shot that cannot accurately be called that contributes to the overall group size.

Some rifles, with sight adjustments performed at the bench, and sighted in, will be low when fired with the use of a sling and from the prone position because of sling tension and the subsequent affect of the rifles ability to "jump"

Continue to hold the trigger to the rear and follow through. At some point you should be able to call your shots with a relative degree of accuracy. Dry firing and maintaining the same repetition will help to develop the skill of calling shots.

Even a 22 rf has jump and recoil that needs controlled.
Its very difficult to sight in or zero a rifle for some-one else so its perfect.

 

[Qbeam]

When you get a sight picture can you say where your focus is?
You should focus on the front sight and be able to see it crisply and clearly. and clean. Every time without fail.

If its a partridge style rear sight, available light can effect how you get your sight picture. (I don't know what tech sights are)

When using peep sights, from a bench or field position, remember center- center- center. Move your body to align sights and achieve natural point of aim so you don't have to keep over-correcting your hold which will cause you to rush the shot and result in inconsistency.

If your bench shooting, body position and how your chest contacts the leading edge of the bench can have an influence on point of impact.
What happens is the way the rifles "jumps" and how you control recoil can influence POI and be the cause for making sight adjustments.

Also, to control jump, a forearm rested on a hard surface versus a padded one will influence sight adjustment but in most instances it will appear as vertical stringing but may also appear as a flyer or a shot that cannot accurately be called that contributes to the overall group size.

Some rifles, with sight adjustments performed at the bench, and sighted in, will be low when fired with the use of a sling and from the prone position because of sling tension and the subsequent affect of the rifles ability to "jump"

Continue to hold the trigger to the rear and follow through. At some point you should be able to call your shots with a relative degree of accuracy. Dry firing and maintaining the same repetition will help to develop the skill of calling shots.

Even a 22 rf has jump and recoil that needs controlled.
Its very difficult to sight in or zero a rifle for some-one else so its perfect.

Thanks, Doco.


Most of the sighting in was from a shooting club bench that I have a hard time getting a good position on. I try to get the natrual point of aim, and do the breathing process with follow through. As for getting the rifles stable, it is a chore between the bench, rifle position, and body position at the bench. I do focus on the front sight (older eyes, may not be as crisp as they should be, lol) and look for the proper sight picture.



Tech Sights are AR-15 style Aperture rear, and post front sights.



https://www.tech-sights.com/



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[dontpanic]

Drift the front sight over. Even a mm can make a big difference in the rear sight

More than likely it looks centered, but is not

 

[John from MD]

My brother has Macular Degeneration and I had to adjust all of his guns so he could hit the target. They are all off to the left so far, that I can use them. Not saying you have this, just that it could be your eyes.

 

[Pinecone]

1) Have another shooter shoot the two rifles.

2) Get an eye patch, and cover your non-shooting eye.

Do these two things and see what happens.

 

[Qbeam]

1) Have another shooter shoot the two rifles.

2) Get an eye patch, and cover your non-shooting eye.

Do these two things and see what happens.

Thanks, Pinecone. I'll check with my fellow shooters to see if they are able to hit once the sights are adjusted.

I took Doco's points and got the rear site more centered and after fiddling with the front site (AR-15 post style) to work with the elevation, I have it good to go at 50 yds.

Anybody know a good trigger for the 10/22?


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[brownspotz]

doesn't matter if your sights are on sideways as long as you can hit where you need to.

 

[Qbeam]

doesn't matter if your sights are on sideways as long as you can hit where you need to.

lol. Had a gentleman shooting a couple of points down shooting an AR with 45° offset sights. Wasn't hitting anything at 25yds. I didn't have time to help him, but it looked like they were set pretty high.


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