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  • Phoenix_1295

    Creature of Life and Fire
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    Oct 6, 2010
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    MD
    Shooting the different guns sounds like a great idea. I'm up in Cecil, but I'm willing to drive up to an hour away to a range that has a good selection of rentals. Any recommendations on a range? Also when renting a gun, do most allow one to try different guns or do I have to pay a fee for each gun I rent?

    Thanks!
    Cindy’s will let you try multiple guns. If I recall correctly, you turn one in to get another, but only pay a single rental. You would need to call them to check their current policy.

     

    Bob A

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    Nov 11, 2009
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    The absence of hammer-fired double action semi-auto pistols is striking, if you'll forgive the pun, in a thread where every pistol mentioned is striker-fired.

    Despite the major drawbacks, namely weight and heavier trigger pull for the first shot, I carry a hammer gun, and the drawbacks mentioned conceal their advantages, in my personal opinion.

    The weight seems to provide both more control and gentler recoil, or so it seems to me; meanwhile the longer trigger pull removes the need to fumble for a safety. A decocker lowers the hammer to a secure half-cock, while the stiffer trigger pull makes firing the first shot more deliberate and less likely to cause an accidental discharge.

    This is a disadvantage when shooting at static targets on a range, but when the unexpected occurs and you find yourself in a position to have to fire at a threat in a situation in which no one wants to find himself, fine motor control goes out the window, and point shooting comes into its own, gross motor skills combined with training are said to be superior in the sort of confrontation that one is likely to encounter perhaps once in a lifetime.

    This seems to be the theory held and presented by Sykes, Fairbairn and their proponent, Rex Applegate, whose experiences in actual gunfights and in training and refining the technique during WWII and after, would bear examination.

    Not having been involved on that sort of situation myself, I can't comment on the effectiveness of their theories and methods, but they seem to garner support over time by those who have practiced their techniques. I'm grateful for those who have posted here about this method, and brought it to my attention.

    Sykes and Fairbairn first refined and described their experiences and methods in 1942, as they were brought in to teach them to such groups as the British Home Guard, SOE and the OSS, with great success:


    Col. (then 2n Lt.) Applegate was tasked with becoming Fairbairn's assistant, learning all he could from him, and incorporating as much as he could into training America's WWII clandestine warriors. An interesting job, described in many publications, such as his textbook of point shooting:


    For those who remember and would choose to carry that ancient weapon, the snubby revolver, Ed Lovette, a police and CIA firearms trainer, makes an interesting case for the little wheelgun:

    Edit: I was surprised at Amazon's price of this little book. have found it for around 10-15 dollars, after shopping around. Personally, I think it's worth the price, but YMMV, as always.

    Short and to the point (so to speak), these books are well worth examining, as they distill and refine practical techniques, proven successful over time. A statistic from Sykes and Fairbairn, who trained the Singapore Police in the 1930s, with the following results: in 666 armed encounters with criminals, the police they trained in their methods killed 260 criminals, and wounded 193, versus suffering 42 killed and 100 wounded by the criminals they opposed. Those are odds you can live with.
     
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    motorcoachdoug

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    I carry a Glock 27 with is a 40cal with a double stack mag or a S&W SD40VE another 40cal double stack. The Glock gives me 1 in the pipe and 9 in the mag and the S&W gives me 1 in the pipe and 12 in the mag. I also use JHP critical defense rounds in both my firearms. I also have a 1911 that was a group by here a few years ago and that is my OWB only.
     

    River02

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    Sep 19, 2015
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    It’s actually a pretty simple test how I do it - have them fixate on a fixed spot, close their eyes and pick up a prospective gun and aim it to where they think that spot is - I’m not interested in how close to that imaginary spot they are, but if the front/rear sight are in a relative same plane/alignment.

    Locked wrist with a Glock, front sight will be buried low relative to rear. And a broke/rolled wrist with a Glock will be in a more level plane with the front. Vice versa with other brands.
    Thanks for the explanation-- I've wondered why my 43x always seems to just come out of the holster and be "on target" for the most part but I always seem to have to jink around just a tad to get the 365XL in the same spot. Perhaps this is why--- fun facts
    Yeah, you can train and acclimate to different guns - but for a carry piece, my philosophy is to work with your own natural mechanics, not fight them.
    Yeah--- I can see this. I have absolutely no qualms about strapping up with my 43X. Like I wrote upstream-- confidence I'll be on target and can provide quicker follow up shots on target with little thought to the whole grip process. Yet every time I put on my 365-- I have some little hesitation about having to take some extra time (perhaps a second?) to think through the grip adjustment and get on target. Not a comfortable feeling---
     
    It’s actually a pretty simple test how I do it - have them fixate on a fixed spot, close their eyes and pick up a prospective gun and aim it to where they think that spot is - I’m not interested in how close to that imaginary spot they are, but if the front/rear sight are in a relative same plane/alignment.

    Locked wrist with a Glock, front sight will be buried low relative to rear. And a broke/rolled wrist with a Glock will be in a more level plane with the front. Vice versa with other brands.
    I did the same with customers. I would also explain they want one that aims as if they were doing the same with a pointed finger.
    Glocks generally don't point well for me, but my 43x goes right on target.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Aug 2, 2009
    31,643
    BobA makes his valid points about DA/SA Autos .

    Back in the day , the haters made big over purported drawbacks around the DA to SA transition . If you're talking surplus P-38 , yeah , it's a problem . For any more modern design where it has a reasonably decent DA pull , the issue is negligible . My W. German SIG is the snizz , S&W 3rd Gen and Italian CZ clones aren't bad .

    But in the current era , most buyers obsess over very compact size , and very light weight ( plus large capacity , but that's an additional discussion ) .

    Alas , that favors striker fired polymer . CZ and their clones are the main standard bearers for DA/ SA . If you made me CEO if S&W for a day , I would order the return of the 3913 before lunch .
     

    Slackdaddy

    My pronouns: Iva/Bigun
    Jan 1, 2019
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    What's a 2nd choice after that?
    A pair of double barrelled 12ga's, cut down to 6" with pistol grips and swiveling holsters,,
    Ala "Buck and the Preacher"

    (Disclaimer: You will need a few tax stamps I am sure)
     
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