How to properly beat a horse. Please allot 16 hours. This is mandatory.

[TheBert]

It'd be real interesting to see if MSP has rejected a training exemption for someone from a uniformed service that isn't the armed forces in submitting a DD214. I'd put odds on MSP waiving them through.

I don't believe that the DD214 is used for US PHS commissioned corps or the NOAA commissioned corps. In 2020 the US PHS started issuing DD214's with permission of the DOD to use the DD214 form.

 

[platekiller]

Maybe the stigma of being a 13'er is fading...or maybe it's akin to being the healthiest person in the hospice?

Lol I was thinking the same thing (13er might be better than 22er now) lol

 

[teratos]

Lol I was thinking the same thing (13er might be better than 22er now) lol

Oh, we only kept the good 13’ers.

 

[DC-W]

find the audio clips from whatever amendment was offered to change the law and tell us their actual reasoning.

I wonder if it’s even what people think…

It was in the text of 2013 SB 281 as introduced. See page 37.

https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/bills/sb/sb0281f.pdf

 

[CMSGT]

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Beings the DD214 is the document used to verify service, I see no distinctive carve out as you believe that would cause the exception you are claiming. Looks to me: "if you have a DD214 you're golden". If you know of any case where someone with a DD214 was rejected for the reason you believe, all ears.

 

[DC-W]

US Armed Forces

Our Forces

The Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Space Force and Coast Guard are the armed forces of the United States. The Army National Guard and the Air National Guard are reserve components of their services and operate in part under state authority..

www.defense.gov

 

[LoneWolf123]

It was in the text of 2013 SB 281 as introduced. See page 37.

https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2013RS/bills/sb/sb0281f.pdf

That give us a starting point…

I’m speaking towards the reasoning of their choice and not the actual text of the bill.

I feel like line by line these things are discussed in one committee or another.

 

[OldBrokenGrunt]

Here’s the easiest way to solve all discussions….


1. Give up… the law is what it is. If you don’t like it.. go to court or lobby for it to change.

2. The “uniformed service” is a load of shit and a bunch of civilians wanting to play military without doing the real work and responsibility it takes to do it.

3. The coast guard is the bastard child of the armed services because of Congress.

4. Everyone who was in military service knows the only real military branch is the Marine Corps.

Isn’t the Marines a part of the Navy? Bwahahahahaha

Just ******* with you brother.

 

[DC-W]

That give us a starting point…

I’m speaking towards the reasoning of their choice and not the actual text of the bill.

I feel like line by line these things are discussed in one committee or another.

That’s how it was first presented to be discussed. Here’s the bill’s hearing in the Judicial Proceedings Committee. 8 hours. https://mgahouse.maryland.gov/mga/p...7-8a42-4438-a7da-93ff74bdaa4c&playfrom=142749

You can see everything here: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/Sb0281/?ys=2013rs

 

[LoneWolf123]

US Armed Forces

Our Forces

The Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Space Force and Coast Guard are the armed forces of the United States. The Army National Guard and the Air National Guard are reserve components of their services and operate in part under state authority..

www.defense.gov

Must of been of misprint on the DoDs part. We all know the Air Force and Navy are not a military service. Their armed escorts for the marines and army.


LoL

Isn’t the Marines a part of the Navy? Bwahahahahaha

Just ******* with you brother.

The Navy is our public transportation when crossing oceans… same with the Air Force.


Lol

 

[LoneWolf123]

That’s how it was first presented to be discussed. Here’s the bill’s hearing in the Judicial Proceedings Committee. 8 hours. https://mgahouse.maryland.gov/mga/p...7-8a42-4438-a7da-93ff74bdaa4c&playfrom=142749

You can see everything here: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/Sb0281/?ys=2013rs

Thanks boss

 

[JohnnyE]

Lol I was thinking the same thing (13er might be better than 22er now) lol

At least I joined in January 2013 before the FSA BS got launched, as compared to all the hangers on who joined because of it.

Oh, we only kept the good 13’ers.

I wish you could just give me a shot that cleans me up like a shot of penicillin cleans up the clap. I hate that 13'er taint about me.

 

[mikem623]

Wrong. That is an absolute falsehood.

Nobody in my company in basic, or any other company in the division, ever touched a functional rifle of any kind.



ETA: And training with a pistol during that time was optional.

This is one person that should not be allowed to use his DD214. That is if he has one.

 

[CanDoEZ]

I think MGA threw the exemption in the 2013 FSA just to further divide the 2A community into factions


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[TheBert]

Isn’t the Marines a part of the Navy? Bwahahahahaha

Just ******* with you brother.

The Men's department of the Navy.

 

[rambling_one]

If I had a dollar for each key stroke in this thread, I could afford some ammo.

 

[dblas]

Can you provide a referance for that distinction statement, from any MDSP web page???

I'll provide you directly from State Statute...
5-306(b)(2)
(b) Exemptions from training course. -- An applicant for a permit is not required to complete a certified firearms training course under subsection (a) of this section if the applicant:
(1) is a law enforcement officer or a person who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State, or any local law enforcement agency in the State;
(2) is a member, retired member, or honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard;
(3) is a qualified handgun instructor; or
(4) has completed a firearms training course approved by the Secretary.

The bolded part above, states "Armed Forces", not "Uniformed Services"

But anyone that would have read the actual law would have found that.

 

[dblas]

That give us a starting point…

I’m speaking towards the reasoning of their choice and not the actual text of the bill.

I feel like line by line these things are discussed in one committee or another.

Have you ever been to Annapolis and sat in on a committee hearing?

If so, then you would know that, no, they do not discuss any of the bills line by line.

 

[dblas]

At least I joined in January 2013 before the FSA BS got launched, as compared to all the hangers on who joined because of it.

I wish you could just give me a shot that cleans me up like a shot of penicillin cleans up the clap. I hate that 13'er taint about me.

A quarterly shot of good bourbon takes care of that, you've lasted this long, you're good.

 

[CMSGT]

I'll provide you directly from State Statute...
5-306(b)(2)
(b) Exemptions from training course. -- An applicant for a permit is not required to complete a certified firearms training course under subsection (a) of this section if the applicant:
(1) is a law enforcement officer or a person who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State, or any local law enforcement agency in the State;
(2) is a member, retired member, or honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard;
(3) is a qualified handgun instructor; or
(4) has completed a firearms training course approved by the Secretary.

The bolded part above, states "Armed Forces", not "Uniformed Services"

But anyone that would have read the actual law would have found that.

And what is used as documentation to determine the exemption? The Title of a DD214 is verbatim and in caps, "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE SERVICE". Once again, "If you know of any case where someone with a DD214 was rejected for the reason you believe, all ears".