How Many in the Group Have Their Concealed Carry? How Many are Looking to Get One?

[Biggfoot44]

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Is this similar to what the Late John Mountjoy had at J2 ? If so , I was impressed with John's set up .

 

[BurkeM]

Is this similar to what the Late John Mountjoy had at J2 ? If so , I was impressed with John's set up .

Probably. Good stuff

 

[CAS_Shooter]

My own experience was that I lived in MD for 20 years. I was one of the few that made application after the first ruling that led to the hope that we would be able to apply for self protection. Then that was overturned, and all that work was wasted. We moved 6 years later out of state and then came back to PA just over the Carroll County line. I got my PA permit within weeks, then when the SCOTUS ruling essentially required MD to issue, I applied, did my training in Littlestown, and now have my PA, FL Utah, and MD permit. It can be done. They don't all make it as easy as PA, but I do now have an MD permit from training that took place in PA. Your milage may vary.

 

[CAS_Shooter]

My own experience was that I lived in MD for 20 years. I was one of the few that made application after the first ruling that led to the hope that we would be able to apply for self protection. Then that was overturned, and all that work was wasted. We moved 6 years later out of state and then came back to PA just over the Carroll County line. I got my PA permit within weeks, then when the SCOTUS ruling essentially required MD to issue, I applied, did my training in Littlestown, and now have my PA, FL Utah, and MD permit. It can be done. They don't all make it as easy as PA, but I do now have an MD permit from training that took place in PA. Your milage may vary.

I guess I should add, many states have gone Constitutional Carry, since my first permit issued, and that is a good thing for all that want to carry.

 

[JohnnyE]

It would be good for some MD instructors to get DC certification. When I have to get my MD recert it would be useful to have the ability to use the time to get a DC permit as well.

Merely a suggestion.

This right here.

 

[Schipperke]

It would be good for some MD instructors to get DC certification. When I have to get my MD recert it would be useful to have the ability to use the time to get a DC permit as well.

Merely a suggestion.

The instructor I use does just that. Gives you what you need for MD, VA and DC after completion. Does so at rates half of others. Sells ~30 seats a session doing so. Reasonable fee and volume is the ticket.

 

[miles71]

The instructor I use does just that. Gives you what you need for MD, VA and DC after completion. Does so at rates half of others. Sells ~30 seats a session doing so. Reasonable fee and volume is the ticket.

What additional do you need for Va? With the new Md requirements how do they cover the D.C. Required time?

30 people in one class? Wow, that means about 6 or more additional instructors or RSOs. Are you willing to disclose this instructors fee for class?

TD

 

[Schipperke]

What additional do you need for Va? With the new Md requirements how do they cover the D.C. Required time?

30 people in one class? Wow, that means about 6 or more additional instructors or RSOs. Are you willing to disclose this instructors fee for class?

TD

One instructor. Does live fire with a few at a time. Provides handgun and ammo as well, is now $300.
Virginia is just kind of a gimme, does class, law and range requirements for MD, DC in the class.

Virginia requirement;

Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, institution of higher education, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the United States Concealed Carry Association, or the Department of Criminal Justice Services

 

[miles71]

One instructor. Does live fire with a few at a time. Provides handgun and ammo as well, is now $300.
Virginia is just kind of a gimme, does class, law and range requirements for MD, DC in the class.

Virginia requirement;

Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, institution of higher education, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the United States Concealed Carry Association, or the Department of Criminal Justice Services

So they don’t “offer” Va, it just happens like many other states that recognize the Md training.

1 instructor to 30 student ratio, not sure how I feel about that, even with a few at a time. Lots of questions but to each his own.

TD

 

[Biggfoot44]

Discount Poll Tax

 

[Mark75H]

Scary at any price, discount even more so

 

[scottyfz6]

I applied, did my training in Littlestown, and now have my PA, FL Utah, and MD permit. It can be done. They don't all make it as easy as PA, but I do now have an MD permit from training that took place in PA. Your milage may vary.

Shafted and I might have been your instructors, along with Rick.

 

[scottyfz6]

What additional do you need for Va? With the new Md requirements how do they cover the D.C. Required time?

30 people in one class? Wow, that means about 6 or more additional instructors or RSOs. Are you willing to disclose this instructors fee for class?

TD

Any Nra class covers Va requirements, I have had people use the nra basic pistol paperwork for it.

The add on for DC is per the letter of the dc law a 4 hour law class. But your whole syllabus needs to be approved by DC, you literally give them what you will give for training written out.

 

[BurkeM]

What additional do you need for Va?

https://vsp.virginia.gov/services/firearms/nonresident-concealed-handgun-permits/

DOCUMENTATION OF COMPETENCE WITH A HANDGUN​

The applicant shall demonstrate competence with a handgun in person by one of the following:

• Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Wildlife Resources or a similar agency of another state;
• Completing any National Rifle Association or United States Concealed Carry Association firearms safety or training course;
• Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, institution of higher education, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the United States Concealed Carry Association, or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
• Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
• Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
• Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in the Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
• Completing any in-person firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified, National Rifle Association-certified, or United States Concealed Carry Association-certified firearms instructor;
• Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or
• Completing any other firearms training that the court deems adequate.

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any such course or class, an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant, or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall satisfy the requirement for demonstration of competence with a handgun.

 

[miles71]

https://vsp.virginia.gov/services/firearms/nonresident-concealed-handgun-permits/

DOCUMENTATION OF COMPETENCE WITH A HANDGUN​

The applicant shall demonstrate competence with a handgun in person by one of the following:

• Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Wildlife Resources or a similar agency of another state;
• Completing any National Rifle Association or United States Concealed Carry Association firearms safety or training course;
• Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, institution of higher education, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the United States Concealed Carry Association, or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
• Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
• Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
• Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in the Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
• Completing any in-person firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified, National Rifle Association-certified, or United States Concealed Carry Association-certified firearms instructor;
• Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or
• Completing any other firearms training that the court deems adequate.

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any such course or class, an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant, or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall satisfy the requirement for demonstration of competence with a handgun.

Exactly, nothing in addition to the Md courses.

TD

 

[trailman]

What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.

For instance...you ( a concealed carrier) are in a room sitting at a table and at the other end someone starts shooting. behind you is a door. How do you get out of that dangerous situation? Of course you run out the door to escape to safety. Now remove that door and now you are in a corner and the threat is coming towards you. What do you do? I think the the answers here are obvious, but if you added complications to those scenarios, you would make people have to think fast and maybe help them make safer choices if they ever are in a dangerous situation.

I would appreciate this kind of training.

At the risk of being rude go find a training company and get it. It's bad enough that we have the class requirement to begin with don't give them more ideas. FWIW I teach hunter safety and the damn course is 16 hours long, any f the critical information can be done in two.

 

[BurkeM]

the critical information can be done in two.

 

[BurkeM]

What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.

For instance...you ( a concealed carrier) are in a room sitting at a table and at the other end someone starts shooting. behind you is a door. How do you get out of that dangerous situation? Of course you run out the door to escape to safety. Now remove that door and now you are in a corner and the threat is coming towards you. What do you do? I think the the answers here are obvious, but if you added complications to those scenarios, you would make people have to think fast and maybe help them make safer choices if they ever are in a dangerous situation.

I would appreciate this kind of training.

NRA offers that.

NRA Basics of Personal Protection Outside The Home Course​

Short Description:
Teaches students the knowledge, skills and attitude essential for avoiding dangerous confrontations and for the safe, effective and responsible use of a concealed pistol for self-defense outside the home.

More Details:
Prerequisite: This course is for adult individuals who are not disqualified from possessing a firearm as defined by applicable federal, state, or local law and are of good repute and possess defensive pistol skills presented in the NRA Basics of Personal Protection In The Home Course.

Participants must also understand the basic legal concepts relating to the use of firearms in self-defense, and must know and observe not only general gun safety rules, but also those safety principles that are specific to defensive situations.

Prospective participants can demonstrate that they have the requisite knowledge, skills, and attitudes by producing an NRA Basic Personal Protection In The Home Course Certificate, or by passing the pre-course evaluation.

Description: The course is divided into two levels. Level one is nine-hours and offers the essential knowledge and skills that must be mastered in order to carry, store, and use a firearm safely and effectively for personal protection outside the home. Students spend several hours on the range and shoot approximately 100 rounds of ammunition during level one.

Upon completion, students may choose to attend level two, which is an additional five hours on the range and approximately 115 rounds of ammunition learning advanced shooting skills. Time and ammunition requirements are minimum, and may be exceeded.

Students will receive the NRA Guide to the Basics of Personal Protection Outside The Home handbook, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure and appropriate (level one/level two) course completion certificates(s)

 

[MaxVO2]

NRA offers that.

NRA Basics of Personal Protection Outside The Home Course​

Short Description:
Teaches students the knowledge, skills and attitude essential for avoiding dangerous confrontations and for the safe, effective and responsible use of a concealed pistol for self-defense outside the home.

More Details:
Prerequisite: This course is for adult individuals who are not disqualified from possessing a firearm as defined by applicable federal, state, or local law and are of good repute and possess defensive pistol skills presented in the NRA Basics of Personal Protection In The Home Course.

Participants must also understand the basic legal concepts relating to the use of firearms in self-defense, and must know and observe not only general gun safety rules, but also those safety principles that are specific to defensive situations.

Prospective participants can demonstrate that they have the requisite knowledge, skills, and attitudes by producing an NRA Basic Personal Protection In The Home Course Certificate, or by passing the pre-course evaluation.

Description: The course is divided into two levels. Level one is nine-hours and offers the essential knowledge and skills that must be mastered in order to carry, store, and use a firearm safely and effectively for personal protection outside the home. Students spend several hours on the range and shoot approximately 100 rounds of ammunition during level one.

Upon completion, students may choose to attend level two, which is an additional five hours on the range and approximately 115 rounds of ammunition learning advanced shooting skills. Time and ammunition requirements are minimum, and may be exceeded.

Students will receive the NRA Guide to the Basics of Personal Protection Outside The Home handbook, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure and appropriate (level one/level two) course completion certificates(s)

****Yes. That's a decent class. There are also private training organizations that do a LOT of live fire and "real life" scenario training using live ammo and/or Simunition type training. Intuitive Defense Shooting, Advanced Pistol Handling - also Carbine courses, etc.. I have done several and learned a LOT. I do well shooting paper plates that don't generally shoot back, but found out I needed a LOT of corrective work for running and gunning, as well as shooting from unorthodox positions (lying on floor, sideways shooting, shooting from various barriers, concealment vs cover, out of a car, into a car, after running several hundred yards, extreme close quarter shooting, low light shooting with pistol mounted lights or manually held light, etc..

The training requirement to exercise a constitutional right bothers me, but I have personally been pro-active about trying to improve my skill sets and have had the opportunity to work with some decent instructors, organizations, etc.. I've had to travel some for several of the courses I have taken, and have personally helped teach the NRA PPOH mentioned above.

People are often surprised at how they look actually shooting, and moving around, etc.. after having been recorded doing a drill, and reviewed with the instructor(s) afterwards..

I thought I looked more John Wick than Elmer Fudd, or Barney Fife but it turns out I must look like Jesus H. Christ as that's what a couple of instructors called me after I messed up on several scenarios...

Some pics of several of the classes I have been in - some with reactive and moving targets, etc.. I've gotten better with practice and good instruction. I had been making a lot of rookie mistakes before that a good instructor helped to correct after video analysis, etc.. Hopefully, I make fewer rookie mistakes now, but I still make mistakes so am always trying to learn more.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Exactly, nothing in addition to the Md courses.

TD

Nothing in addition to virtually anything . Still have your hunting license from 1967 ? Still have the club newsletter with the scores from the trap competition in 1973 ?