How Many in the Group Have Their Concealed Carry? How Many are Looking to Get One?

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  • I have a CCW

    • Yes

      Votes: 100 83.3%
    • No

      Votes: 4 3.3%
    • I have an HQL only

      Votes: 9 7.5%
    • The constitution is my license lol

      Votes: 7 5.8%

    • Total voters
      120

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    34,552
    but without a private range, scheduling/completing the practical portion was a bit of a headache for me.

    This !

    In Maryland , access to private range facility is the biggest factor and hurdle .

    I'm not joking that a landowner that owns a farm that can become a private range , can easily pick up Instructor certs 100 X easier than an Instructor could finance a range out of their Instructing profits .
     

    light12pdr

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    Nov 6, 2015
    253
    What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.

    For instance...you ( a concealed carrier) are in a room sitting at a table and at the other end someone starts shooting. behind you is a door. How do you get out of that dangerous situation? Of course you run out the door to escape to safety. Now remove that door and now you are in a corner and the threat is coming towards you. What do you do? I think the the answers here are obvious, but if you added complications to those scenarios, you would make people have to think fast and maybe help them make safer choices if they ever are in a dangerous situation.

    I would appreciate this kind of training.
     

    hogarth

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 13, 2009
    2,698
    What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.

    For instance...you ( a concealed carrier) are in a room sitting at a table and at the other end someone starts shooting. behind you is a door. How do you get out of that dangerous situation? Of course you run out the door to escape to safety. Now remove that door and now you are in a corner and the threat is coming towards you. What do you do? I think the the answers here are obvious, but if you added complications to those scenarios, you would make people have to think fast and maybe help them make safer choices if they ever are in a dangerous situation.

    I would appreciate this kind of training.
    Scenario-based training is a thing that I've done several times and will continue to do. Few put on such courses, at least not well. Don't expect one to appear in your backyard. You will probably have to seek it out and be willing to travel.

    Last time I posted a link to a nationally known instructor doing such a course with 1.5 hours of most people in MD, he cancelled the course because not enough people signed up.

    People like to train in what they are already good at. Like making piles of empty brass.
     

    E.Shell

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    Feb 5, 2007
    10,518
    Mid-Merlind
    This !

    In Maryland , access to private range facility is the biggest factor and hurdle .

    I'm not joking that a landowner that owns a farm that can become a private range , can easily pick up Instructor certs 100 X easier than an Instructor could finance a range out of their Instructing profits .
    The problem with this approach is that the county will want commercial zoning and much higher property taxes (the likely root cause), when the land use zoning classification goes from agricultural to commercial. This is an avenue of complaint/action when the neighbors can't get traction with their noise complaints. Many people don't mind a little occasional shooting next door, but a few hundred rounds a day, 4-5-6 days a week gets tiresome. I've been through this and and was defeated. They wanted me to rezone an entire 600 acre farm I was teaching on, even though the primary use remained agricultural.

    There are also formal "professional range" considerations, such as safety/impact zones beyond the backstop(s) that most people cannot satisfy without "no blue sky" barrier baffles (think "Berwyn"), lead abatement, anti-personnel fencing (6' chain link) to prevent people from wandering (trespassing) downrange, etc.. See the NRA Range Development Handbook.

    Zeke at DSC allowed me to conduct classes there and we had quite a bit of freedom in what we did, but I had to work around the range's regular users with regard to lane/position availability, cease-fires, etc.. First come, first serve.
     
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    Blaster229

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    Sep 14, 2010
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    What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.

    For instance...you ( a concealed carrier) are in a room sitting at a table and at the other end someone starts shooting. behind you is a door. How do you get out of that dangerous situation? Of course you run out the door to escape to safety. Now remove that door and now you are in a corner and the threat is coming towards you. What do you do? I think the the answers here are obvious, but if you added complications to those scenarios, you would make people have to think fast and maybe help them make safer choices if they ever are in a dangerous situation.

    I would appreciate this kind of training.
    Here's the problem. This would easily have to be a 3 to$500 course for 6-8 hours or so. You'd never get enough people from this forum to sign up in enough numbers to make it worth getting out of bed that day to teach it, especially at a facility that has building/rooms for that kind of work. Then getting SIMS guns and ammo involved to really learn, that cost would go up another couple hundred.
    We have done very basic scenarios on a live flat range like going down a hallway, shooting from a sitting position at a table. Things like that. But SIMS force on force is really the winner.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Aug 2, 2009
    34,552
    What E. She'll says is true, but further reinforces the point I was seeking to make .

    Access to a suitable range facility is the controlling factor .

    In the " W&C Class " model , typical unlanded Instructors can rent a couple of lanes at a commercial indoor range , to suffice for the students to do the 25 round Qual, and not much more . For a more wide-ranging class , with a lot more shooting, it gets into availability of booking a 4 or 6 hour slot , and the $$$ fees.
     

    Bob A

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    Nov 11, 2009
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    It would be good for some MD instructors to get DC certification. When I have to get my MD recert it would be useful to have the ability to use the time to get a DC permit as well.

    Merely a suggestion.
     

    light12pdr

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    Nov 6, 2015
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    Here's the problem. This would easily have to be a 3 to$500 course for 6-8 hours or so. You'd never get enough people from this forum to sign up in enough numbers to make it worth getting out of bed that day to teach it, especially at a facility that has building/rooms for that kind of work. Then getting SIMS guns and ammo involved to really learn, that cost would go up another couple hundred.
    We have done very basic scenarios on a live flat range like going down a hallway, shooting from a sitting position at a table. Things like that. But SIMS force on force is really the winner.
    I see your point. SIMS training would take a lot to perform. I was just thinking of training that would really be useful. In my mind I think that if the real thing ever happens, I would react correctly but as the old adage goes: " It's all fun and games until the shooting starts".
     

    Jake4U

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    Sep 1, 2018
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    The market is definitely flooded, there are 4 times as many MD instructors as there were 3 years ago. A lot of people looking for a piece of the pie; most instructors are struggling to fill classes to make them worthwhile to give.

    Part of the perk of being an instructor is avoiding having to take that eight hour renewal class. Once and done.
     

    Biggfoot44

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    Aug 2, 2009
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    It's been discussed before , and the numbers crunched .

    Bottom line was - for an individual themselves, at best scenario would about break even , counting $ , but not counting their :time .

    If you have family members or close friends in need of their Poll Tax , the numbers change .
     

    BurkeM

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    Jan 8, 2014
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    Guntry- Simulator.
    What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.


    I would appreciate this kind of training.
     

    ironpony

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    Jun 8, 2013
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    I am very lucky to have access to farms. I built a 200 yd range in the woods and 5 miles of trails but having classes would not work out. One 700 acre farm but I just couldn't swing a group. MD is not for shooting anymore.

    My childhood friend/neighbor trains people in San Diego, I think they go to the desert or something to shoot.
     

    WarChief

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    Jan 27, 2023
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    What I would like to see is training in a "real life" scenario. Like what to do when a bad actor is a threat. In a training environment, put people in situations where they have to react and critique them on their performance.

    For instance...you ( a concealed carrier) are in a room sitting at a table and at the other end someone starts shooting. behind you is a door. How do you get out of that dangerous situation? Of course you run out the door to escape to safety. Now remove that door and now you are in a corner and the threat is coming towards you. What do you do? I think the the answers here are obvious, but if you added complications to those scenarios, you would make people have to think fast and maybe help them make safer choices if they ever are in a dangerous situation.

    I would appreciate this kind of training.
    Hit me up. I got plenty of combat training. We can discuss what you want and I'll put a plan together to start. It'll start with basics then work up. Josh
     

    Blaster229

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    Sep 14, 2010
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    Hit me up. I got plenty of combat training. We can discuss what you want and I'll put a plan together to start. It'll start with basics then work up. Josh
    I'd be interested in hearing what combat experience you have that closely resembles eating in a restaurant while carrying concealed.
     

    hobiecat590

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    Hit me up. I got plenty of combat training. We can discuss what you want and I'll put a plan together to start. It'll start with basics then work up. Josh
    After the initial rush, I believe that all MD'ers that wanted a CCW, got one unlike BEV ownership of course. ;-) EFRs and CPR courses are also plentiful. If you offer an O2 cert course, I would take this since these are scarce around here. I believe that the combat training would also be a key differentiator for your training offerings. Best of luck to you and thanks for your service.
     

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