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    What we need is the courts to say "self-defense" is a good and substantial reason, so no governor can take it away from us again!
    We don't need any court to say that, because that's still propping up the excuse that need a good and substantial reason. You don't. You have a natural right to defend yourself, and the second amendment says that the government can't infringe on your right to keep and bear arms in the interests of doing so.

    But in the sense that you mean what you said, THE court did just say that. The big one. The Supreme Court. We now have a crystal clear ruling with lots of detailed frosting on top that will require lower courts to finally align cases related to states like Maryland with the constitution.
     

    BurkeM

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    Jan 8, 2014
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    We don't need any court to say that, because that's still propping up the excuse that need a good and substantial reason. You don't. You have a natural right to defend yourself, and the second amendment says that the government can't infringe on your right to keep and bear arms in the interests of doing so.

    But in the sense that you mean what you said, THE court did just say that. The big one. The Supreme Court. We now have a crystal clear ruling with lots of detailed frosting on top that will require lower courts to finally align cases related to states like Maryland with the constitution.
    Correct. Justice Thomas wrote that it is unconstitutional to ASK for a reason for an enumerated right.

    The very question as to "why?" is unconstitutional. Forthwith.
     

    Dingo222

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    Nov 6, 2019
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    Licensing portal just went down for an hour for “emergency maintenance.” I wonder what that entails? Was in the process of uploading my passport photo
     

    Slackdaddy

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    Jan 1, 2019
    3,106
    What the hell is Frosch gonna do in 6 months when all the new W&C holders are not running up and down the street and shooting everything in sight ???
     

    woodline

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    I’m going to apply as a nonresident when I have time to get the fingerprints done.
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
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    Dec 21, 2008
    45,524
    SoMD / West PA
    We don't need any court to say that, because that's still propping up the excuse that need a good and substantial reason. You don't. You have a natural right to defend yourself, and the second amendment says that the government can't infringe on your right to keep and bear arms in the interests of doing so.

    But in the sense that you mean what you said, THE court did just say that. The big one. The Supreme Court. We now have a crystal clear ruling with lots of detailed frosting on top that will require lower courts to finally align cases related to states like Maryland with the constitution.
    I agree with you

    An incoming Democrat gubernatorial candidate has already promised to repeal "self-defense" as a good and substantial reason.

    While the getting is good: let's put the last nail in this coffin, so some anti constitution politicians cant make us fight against our own tax money again.
     

    Bob A

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    Nov 11, 2009
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    Cute article.

    I especially liked these:

    State Senate President Bill Ferguson and Baltimore City Mayor Brandon Scott, both Democrats, spoke at a news conference Tuesday morning pledging to keep constituents safe following the suspension of the law
    “We knew that there was likely going to be a challenge to the law and we are going to comply, that is what we do here in Maryland ... but we’re going to do whatever it takes to make sure people feel safe,” said Ferguson.
    Gun safety advocates said Hogan was reacting too quickly in response to the Supreme Court ruling and should have waited on advice from Attorney General Brian Frosh, a Democrat.
    “Governor Hogan’s hasty reaction ... without waiting for the Attorney General’s analysis to be complete will result in increased gun violence,” wrote Karen Herren, the Legislative Director at Marylanders to Prevent Gun Violence, to The Baltimore Banner.
     

    Lalez

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    According to the Baltimore Banner article posted today...

    "The agency currently has 39,797 active applications for permits as of July 1."

    Need to pump those numbers up.

    So answer me this, I know a lot of instructors down here in Central FL. How can one of them teach me this 16 hour curriculum so I can apply as a non/resident? How do they get cert by MSP for this ridiculousness?
     

    ken792

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    Sep 2, 2011
    4,192
    Fairfax, VA
    Need to pump those numbers up.

    So answer me this, I know a lot of instructors down here in Central FL. How can one of them teach me this 16 hour curriculum so I can apply as a non/resident? How do they get cert by MSP for this ridiculousness?
    They need to become an MD QHI.

    You could become one too by taking an NRA pistol instructor course, which is also 16hrs.
     

    spoon059

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    Jun 1, 2018
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    What the hell is Frosch gonna do in 6 months when all the new W&C holders are not running up and down the street and shooting everything in sight ???
    I'm sure that one or two will make a poor judgement decision. Perhaps one will commit a domestic related shooting that had nothing to do with a concealed carry. Or maybe a CCW will shoot someone without legal cause (maybe to defend property or something...).

    Guarantee you that they will trot that out as the EXACT reason they were against it and introduce emergency legislation to repeal it.

    Sent from my SM-N970U1 using Tapatalk
     

    BrianS

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    Apr 26, 2010
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    What happens if the crime rate goes down as more CCW permits are issued. How will they spin that one?
     

    Mark392001

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    Aug 18, 2009
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    All of this is all the more reason for responsible behavior while carrying and following the laws closely as in place. All it will take is one bad actor to shine a negative light on us all. Our collective goal should be to keep it boring for the media and the left.
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

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    Jul 2, 2017
    23,261
    Sun City West, AZ
    What happens if the crime rate goes down as more CCW permits are issued. How will they spin that one?

    The question is "what happens when the crime rate goes down as more CCW permits are issued"?

    In jurisdictions where citizens carrying concealed firearm are trusted by their government, the crime rates are generally lower and when overall violent crime rates go down those jurisdictions see faster declines. While not foolproof, the FBI Uniform Crime Reports reflect that.
     

    Bob A

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    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    23,417
    What happens if the crime rate goes down as more CCW permits are issued. How will they spin that one?

    Merely increase the opiate flow thru the Port of Baltimore. More streetcorner pharmacists, more competition, more bodies. It will keep the courts and lawyers gainfully employed.
     

    Lalez

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    Feb 27, 2019
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    I'm sure that one or two will make a poor judgement decision. Perhaps one will commit a domestic related shooting that had nothing to do with a concealed carry. Or maybe a CCW will shoot someone without legal cause (maybe to defend property or something...).

    Guarantee you that they will trot that out as the EXACT reason they were against it and introduce emergency legislation to repeal it.

    Sent from my SM-N970U1 using Tapatalk
    Doubt it.

    Again, Florida has issued 5 million permits. I’ve lived here for 12 years and in that time I have only heard of one “bad shoot” by a permit holder, and that one was questionable on a stand your ground level

    On the other hand I know of two instances where a Florida permit holder saved a police officers life. In 2017 in Lee County, FL a FL Highway Patrol officer was literally getting beaten to death on the side of the interstate by a felon he had pulled over, a few passerby’s stopped to help and one, a FL permit holder…pulled his pistol and shot the guy, saving the officers life. If I recall correctly he was awarded some honors/medals, and of course was not arrested. Here is the story about it:

     

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