HB 824 vote scheduled for JPR vote

[swinokur]

HB 824 has been scheduled for a voting session tomorrow in JPR. It has *not* had a hearing in JPR. https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/meeting_material/2023/jpr - 133244885242136888 - Voting List 17.pdf

 

[lazarus]

HB 824 has been scheduled for a voting session tomorrow in JPR. It has *not* had a hearing in JPR. https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/meeting_material/2023/jpr - 133244885242136888 - Voting List 17.pdf

I am kind of surprised considering Clippinger runs the committee. I wonder if they aren’t going to move it and settle on adopting SB1 as written is why?

 

[GTOGUNNER]

I am kind of surprised considering Clippinger runs the committee. I wonder if they aren’t going to move it and settle on adopting SB1 as written is why?

Or both bills will die.

 

[lazarus]

Or both bills will die.

I mean, I am sure hoping SB1 will still die. Plenty of time till Sine Die, but it also isn't THAT many days to go. Just need a small little change to what the house wants to see in it, and it become a Herculean task to get both houses to agree and voted out. It has of course happened, but it is much, much harder at the 11th hour.

 

[Some Guy]

Anyone know how this one turned out? I looked at the Senate JPC site and the document says "HELD". Anyone know what this means? Here's the link:

https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/meeting_material/2023/jpr%20-%20133245967130101014%20-%20AgendaReport-JPR_3-29-2023_17.pdf

Here's what it looks like in the document:

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Hearing was Held in the Delegation Side

 

[Some Guy]

Hearing was Held in the Delegation Side

Do you know if this means if any voting was done, and if not will there be opportunities for a Judicial Proceedings Committee public hearing or anything like that? Sorry for the questions, first rodeo.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Do you know if this means if any voting was done, and if not will there be opportunities for a Judicial Proceedings Committee public hearing or anything like that? Sorry for the questions, first rodeo.

No Vote . This was an introduction by heir Waldstrikkker to the delegation. It included pubic testimony.
Link. Begin around 1hour 38 min mark

JUD_3_29_2023_meeting_1

mgahouse.maryland.gov

 

[Some Guy]

No Vote . This was an introduction by heir Waldstrikkker to the delegation. It included pubic testimony.
Link. Begin around 1hour 38 min mark

JUD_3_29_2023_meeting_1

mgahouse.maryland.gov

Sorry man, but I think that link is for the SB-1 hearing that was held in the House Judiciary Committee yesterday.

I'm actually wondering about HB-824 and if/how it was discussed in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee yesterday. Any ideas?

 

[esqappellate]

I mean, I am sure hoping SB1 will still die. Plenty of time till Sine Die, but it also isn't THAT many days to go. Just need a small little change to what the house wants to see in it, and it become a Herculean task to get both houses to agree and voted out. It has of course happened, but it is much, much harder at the 11th hour.

From your lips to God's ears.

 

[Georges2nd]

From your lips to God's ears.

So what's the process from here on out for SB 1?

 

[esqappellate]

So what's the process from here on out for SB 1?

So, House Judiciary has to decide whether to vote aye or nay, or offer amendments and vote aye with amendments. It then goes to the floor of the House. The hearing made clear that at a min. Judiciary will amend SB1 with respect to at least two items, viz., the Section 4-203 problem and the LEOSA problem, both of which MSI outlined in its testimony (available on bill tracker at the MSI website). If so, then SB1 and the House version will have to be reconciled. Either chamber may yield to the other or they both refuse to yield, they can hold a conference and hammer it out.

 

[Ap5fan]

I dont understand why Grammer or anyone who is anti SB1 didnt go after the lady from JHU and her stats. Why didnt anyone say does your stats show a difference between LEGAL guns and illegal guns or ? Almost seems like they were told not to.

 

[Raineman]

I dont understand why Grammer or anyone who is anti SB1 didnt go after the lady from JHU and her stats. Why didnt anyone say does your stats show a difference between LEGAL guns and illegal guns or ? Almost seems like they were told not to.

THIS!^^

I was screaming at my computer screen at work while she was spewing that misleading information, begging Grammar to ask her, "How many of those were permit holders?", because the answer would have been ZERO. Very frustrating, and cannot believe Arikan or one of the other pro 2A Delegates didn't jump on that. It was a complete softball that our side could have hit out of the park.

 

[JollyPedro]

So, House Judiciary has to decide whether to vote aye or nay, or offer amendments and vote aye with amendments. It then goes to the floor of the House. The hearing made clear that at a min. Judiciary will amend SB1 with respect to at least two items, viz., the Section 4-203 problem and the LEOSA problem, both of which MSI outlined in its testimony (available on bill tracker at the MSI website). If so, then SB1 and the House version will have to be reconciled. Either chamber may yield to the other or they both refuse to yield, they can hold a conference and hammer it out.

Do they have enough time in this session, based on historical stats, to get this done in time?? just looking for your take/feel on it....

 

[CrueChief]

They let it go because they are not honest brokers, they are politicians they can't embarrass the other side or they won't get invited to the nice parties.

 

[lazarus]

Do they have enough time in this session, based on historical stats, to get this done in time?? just looking for your take/feel on it....

They have sufficient time. It’s a question of motivation or bloody mindedness.

The long gun transfer with LGQL as part of it failed with both sides refusing to yield and not hammering it out in conference, with one of them having a hearing about this late in the game too. And the next year it wasn’t finalized (without LGQL) and voted on by both houses and then hammered out until the last couple of days of the session if I am remembering right.

The firearm insecurity act was hammered out and approved on sine die? Wasn’t it?

Nobody is safe until the mallet comes down on sine die and they all go home till next January.

It sounds like they will get this one passed. Just a question of what gets offered for amendment and if they pass. The 4-203 and LEOSA amendments sound like they may be straight forward and have the support to pass. And it sounds like Waldy will choke down his feelings and support the changes. So if that is it, I’d see the Senate yielding and approve the House version.

It would be real nice if the house offers an amendment on carry at places with alcohol licenses for consumption on premise again, as well as clear and imminent danger exemption.

And man it would be amazing if SB1 open carry penalty for a license holder was only the 90 day penalty that SB1 has, not the default 4-203 3 year penalty as if you didn’t even have a license (I mean, if we are wishing, make it an administrative penalty like loss of your license for 6 months). Especially if we have to live with an open carry ban in perpetuity.

 

[esqappellate]

Do they have enough time in this session, based on historical stats, to get this done in time?? just looking for your take/feel on it....

Easily have enough time.

 

[Allen65]

Easily have enough time.

Don't be such a pessimist. How many sessions have been cut short in the past five years? Black swans matter.

 

[Bertfish]

Don't be such a pessimist. How many sessions have been cut short in the past five years? Black swans matter.

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