Garden Thread 2023

[lawrencewendall]

Did you staple that black garden cloth on the bottom of your raised beds?

Or are you using natural earth, and not filling them from bags of soil?

We're still going strong with cherry tomatoes, and there's 5 or 6 Japanese eggplant doing well

Yes to black fabric and natural dirt with compost

 

[lawrencewendall]

We had so much rain here last week that I lost probably half of my tomatoes to splitting.

Boil them down to sauce. I have read that the splitting is due to them growing so fast from the rain. Their solution was to water them SO much all growing season so that when the rain comes, there isn't a spike in growth.

 

[wilcam47]

Anyone ever make Sumac jelly? My google foo says this is winged sumac. I think its past prime though

 

[lawrencewendall]

NIH study on glysophate (killing ingredient in roundup)

Glyphosate: Its Environmental Persistence and Impact on Crop Health and Nutrition

Glyphosate-based herbicide products are the most widely used broad-spectrum herbicides in the world for postemergent weed control. There are ever-increasing concerns that glyphosate, if not used judiciously, may cause adverse nontarget impacts in agroecosystems. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[wilcam47]

NIH study on glysophate (killing ingredient in roundup)

Glyphosate: Its Environmental Persistence and Impact on Crop Health and Nutrition

Glyphosate-based herbicide products are the most widely used broad-spectrum herbicides in the world for postemergent weed control. There are ever-increasing concerns that glyphosate, if not used judiciously, may cause adverse nontarget impacts in agroecosystems. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[adit]

Boil them down to sauce. I have read that the splitting is due to them growing so fast from the rain. Their solution was to water them SO much all growing season so that when the rain comes, there isn't a spike in growth.

Once they split the bugs take over and lay their eggs in the pith.

 

[lawrencewendall]

Once they split the bugs take over and lay their eggs in the pith.

Saves you having to add hamburger to the sauce to get protein.

 

[jspero]

So who's getting ready for Fall planting? I'm late getting seeds in, but was held up getting a new 4x8 raised bed ready. I do semi-square-foot gardening and it worked great this Summer with my other 2 4x4 beds. For the Fall, I'm going with green onions, leeks, and garlic on the outside boarder. Carrots (red and orange), beets, hot Asian radish, red radish, and spinach on the inside squares. When I'm done with the Summer plants in the other beds, I'll plant arugula and bok choy as cover crops and fold them in to rejuvenate the soil. This is all new to me this year, so I hope it works out. Here is the plan:

 

[wilcam47]

Still getting blackberries, and got a few bonus raspberries...i planted them this year.

 

[Archeryrob]

If morning glories have established and grown and flowered they left lots and lots of seeds and will be back next year. I let them grow on the woods one year because they looked pretty. They grew up a rose of sharon bush and literally smothered and killed it. in 4 years I have knocked them back, but they are still in the area. They are very hard to get rid of and pulling seedlings is the only way. Once they flower, you'll see them next year again.

 

[Joseph]

So who's getting ready for Fall planting? I'm late getting seeds in, but was held up getting a new 4x8 raised bed ready. I do semi-square-foot gardening and it worked great this Summer with my other 2 4x4 beds. For the Fall, I'm going with green onions, leeks, and garlic on the outside boarder. Carrots (red and orange), beets, hot Asian radish, red radish, and spinach on the inside squares. When I'm done with the Summer plants in the other beds, I'll plant arugula and bok choy as cover crops and fold them in to rejuvenate the soil. This is all new to me this year, so I hope it works out. Here is the plan:

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Are you by any chance an engineer?

 

[jspero]

Are you by any chance an engineer?

Does it show THAT much?

 

[Blacksmith101]

Something for planning next years garden. While working on my genealogy I happened across a list of seeds being sold back in 1769. So I was naturally curious and since I had not heard of these varieties before I looked for some sources for seeds in today's world. I haven't looked them all up but I came across a source for heirloom seeds you wouldn't normally think of so I have linked it below.

Heirloom Seeds List from 1769

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/580601/?offset=#page=404&viewer=picture&o=search&n=0&q=Balch

Imported by Capt. Hulme from Lon-
don, and to be sold by Benjamin Coats,
near the school-house in Salem, a fresh
assortment of garden seeds, large marrow-
fats, early Charlton, early hotspur, gold-
en hotspur, blue marrowfat, and crooked
sugar pease; large Windsor, early hotspur
and early Lisbon beans; early yellow,
scarlet and orange carrot; early Dutch,
early Yorkshire, early Battersea, early
sugar loaf, red and large winter cabbage
and colliflower; green and yellow Savoy ;
cellery; green and white Endive; salmon,
scarlet and London radish; best curled
pepper grass; summer and winter spin-
nage; curled and bambo parsley cabbage ;
white Goss and Imperial lettuce; early
and late cucumber, long Turkey ditto;
early and late turnips; summer and winter
savory; hysop, thyme, sweet majoram and
baum; lavender and rosemary; hemp,
canary and rape seed; red and white
clover, red top Lucerne, burnet and
herdsgrass seed.—Advertisement in Essex
Gazette, March 14, 1769

Link to heirloom seed vendor Monticello, yes the one owned by Thomas Jefferson, so the proceeds go to a good cause:

Historic Seeds | Monticello Shop

Bring historic and heirloom seeds from the Thomas Jefferson Center for Historic Plants to your garden and yard. We offer a wide selection of heritage seeds, vegetable seeds, herb seeds, annual flower seeds, and seeds for perennial flowers. Many of our heirloom organic seeds are unusual and hard...

www.monticelloshop.org

 

[wilcam47]

picked my first muscadines, from the ones i planted in 2022. Ita a quart jar. Wife is going to try to make a small batch of jelly

 

[DaveP]

So who's getting ready for Fall planting? I'm late getting seeds in, but was held up getting a new 4x8 raised bed ready. I do semi-square-foot gardening and it worked great this Summer with my other 2 4x4 beds. For the Fall, I'm going with green onions, leeks, and garlic on the outside boarder. Carrots (red and orange), beets, hot Asian radish, red radish, and spinach on the inside squares. When I'm done with the Summer plants in the other beds, I'll plant arugula and bok choy as cover crops and fold them in to rejuvenate the soil. This is all new to me this year, so I hope it works out. Here is the plan:

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Started my fall salad garden last week.
Kale and collards going in this week.

 

[jspero]

Started my fall salad garden last week.
Kale and collards going in this week.

Awesome! Last Sunday I got the red and orange carrots in and some of the green onions. I'm planning to do the rest after the rain this weekend. I'll be doing arugula in one of the existing beds as a cover crop along with bok choy, but will probably end up eating a bunch, too.

 

[DaveP]

Awesome! Last Sunday I got the red and orange carrots in and some of the green onions. I'm planning to do the rest after the rain this weekend. I'll be doing arugula in one of the existing beds as a cover crop along with bok choy, but will probably end up eating a bunch, too.

Trying clover and Oats as a cover crop, first attempt for me.

May do a small deer plot with extra.