Fatal 'road rage'

[Jim Sr]

State police at the agency's Glen Burnie Barrack confirmed that the shooting involved an off-duty police officer but did not say what agency the officer belonged to and would not release any other details

State police investigating fatal 'road rage' shooting in Gambrills​

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[Anotherpyr]

Dupe

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=122053

 

[Kmac52]

Apparently I dont have access to view the other thread. Can someone tell me how I can keep track of this pending case? The guy that was killed was a friend of mine, and I have taken a personal interest in this.

 

[Maverick0313]

Sad.

 

[Watdahec]

Mdsp.org they just updated their press release column.

 

[iobidder]

Double Dupe...

 

[Anotherpyr]

Mdsp.org they just updated their press release column.

http://www.mdsp.org/Home/tabid/40/ctl/Detail/mid/1226/xmid/21813/xmfid/4/Default.aspx

 

[Kmac52]

Thank you for your help

 

[EL1227]

UPDATE:

New Jersey police officer indicted with first-degree murder in Gambrills road rage killing

As in 'with malice and forethought' ? Although it varies from state to state, murder 1 is generally a killing which is deliberate and premeditated. Does anyone know the exact definition in MD ?

I guess the prosecutors must plan on 'pleading it down' to murder 2.

 

[paulstitz]

New Jersey police officer indicted with first-degree murder in Gambrills road rage killing

As in 'with malice and forethought' ? Although it varies from state to state, murder 1 is generally a killing which is deliberate and premeditated. Does anyone know the exact definition in MD ?

I guess the prosecutors must plan on 'pleading it down' to murder 2.

From the story:
Both Harvey and Pidel got out of the Honda. Harvey walked toward the minivan but Pidel stayed near the Honda, court records show. Walker got out of the minivan but then went back inside, retrieving a .45-caliber Glock.

I guess going back for the gun after he exited the vehicle is enough for premeditation.

Sound good to me.

 

[breimer273]

Anyone have any recent info? Interested in seeing how this one turned out. Kmac I'm sorry for your loss.

I'm wondering how the concealed carry law would apply in this case or if it would at all. NJ cop illegally carrying a weapon in the state of MD I believe would be substantial enough to rule out self defense. Then again, in a lot of self defense situations you can only respond with equal force. And an off duty cop identifying himself as a cop not in his jurisdiction sounds kind of suspicious. Just thinking out loud.

 

[mopar92]

I doubt the NJ cop was illegally carrying. LEOSA.

 

[jaybee]

is he LEO with a right to carry everywhere or just a guard - per the print

a police officer with the Hudson County Prosecutor’s Office in New Jersey,

 

[aquashooter]

If he has statutory arrest powers and is employed by a gov't agency or a railroad, he is covered under LEOSA. That still doesn't give him the right to shoot an unarmed individual. If the victim was coming at him with a tire iron or a knife, it's a whole different ball game.

 

[breimer273]

Ah never heard of LEOSA before. Interesting...

 

[eruby]

New Jersey police officer indicted with first-degree murder in Gambrills road rage killing

As in 'with malice and forethought' ? Although it varies from state to state, murder 1 is generally a killing which is deliberate and premeditated. Does anyone know the exact definition in MD ?

I guess the prosecutors must plan on 'pleading it down' to murder 2.

IANAL (nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express) but I believe the term is:

malice aforethought n. 1) the conscious intent to cause death or great bodily harm to another person before a person commits the crime. Such malice is a required element to prove first degree murder. 2) a general evil and depraved state of mind in which the person is unconcerned for the lives of others. Thus, if a person uses a gun to hold up a bank and an innocent bystander is killed in a shoot-out with police, there is malice aforethought. (See: malice, murder, first degree murder)