Did MSP contact all of your references

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  • E.Shell

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 5, 2007
    10,144
    Mid-Merlind
    Correct.

    References are 'subjective'.
    Bruen ruled that 'subjective' cannot be used and if one's criminal record is clean, there is no reason to deny a permit.
    Since 'subjective' cannot be used, there is no reason to call references.

    Questions?
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    So I should have 0 reason for them to call around.
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    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
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    Jul 29, 2014
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    Please consider becoming an MDS supporter




    And also joining Maryland Shall Issue, if you've not already done so



    Perhaps you can join us at the Essen Room on December 10




    And perhaps you will consider donating to the Blessing Bundles campaign:


    Thank you!
    :D

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    Alan3413

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 4, 2013
    16,616
    Someone I know would pretend to believe zombies are real. He'd tell you straight faced he's absolutely certain they exist.

    When he was getting his secret clearance I told him the investigator called me (true). I said everything went well, except they asked about you obsession with zombies (not true).

    You see the blood drain out of his face. I waited a long minute, then I told him, "no, not really."
     

    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
    Industry Partner
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 25, 2011
    17,022
    Outside the Gates
    I suspect MDSPLD lawyers looked at the law and discovered by law you are required to list references, but there is nothing in the law that requires them to check them.
     

    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
    Industry Partner
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 25, 2011
    17,022
    Outside the Gates
    Someone I know would pretend to believe zombies are real. He'd tell you straight faced he's absolutely certain they exist.

    When he was getting his secret clearance I told him the investigator called me (true). I said everything went well, except they asked about you obsession with zombies (not true).

    You see the blood drain out of his face. I waited a long minute, then I told him, "no, not really."
    When my neighbor's security clearance is checked, a few days later I tell him the guy came around and I told him you are OK and I like you but I am put out that you never invite me to the parties at your house with the Chinese hookers.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    12,948
    I suspect MDSPLD lawyers looked at the law and discovered by law you are required to list references, but there is nothing in the law that requires them to check them.
    There is no requirement in State Statute that requires the listing of references.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    12,948
    Can I submit without references?
    You can try it and see, but there is absolutely nothing that requires them in State Statute. MSP is using 5-306(6) to require/use them.
    5-306(6):
    based on an investigation: has not exhibited a propensity for violence or instability that may reasonably render the person's possession of a handgun a danger to the person or to another.
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,289
    Some suggestions for references:
    Sam Alito
    Brian Frosh
    Joe Curran
    Mike Bloomberg
    Clarence Thomas
    Vinnie DeMarco
    John Lott
    Richard Heller
     

    crabjoe

    Active Member
    Aug 4, 2023
    231
    Ceciltucky
    Apparently they do contact references if they "see" something. When I took my CCW class in September, the instructor's assistant had just recently gotten his CCW. Stated he had applied in June. He was adamant about putting down good references because all his references had been contacted. Was telling everyone that all references would be contacted. By the end of class I found out that his baby momma had slapped him with a abuse order at one time, that she didn't appear in court for... so it got dropped.
     

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