Danger to VA CHP Holders

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  • AssMan

    Meh...
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 27, 2011
    16,515
    Somewhere on the James River, VA
    THE DANGER TO CHP HOLDERS

    There have been some real problems with Virginia CHP holders being stopped in Maryland and the Virginia State Police telling Maryland law enforcement that the driver has a Virginia CHP.

    There is a bill in the General Assembly that will put an end to that issue, BUT THE SITUATION HAS JUST GOTTEN EVEN MORE URGENT.

    Two days ago the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, whose rulings affect Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, and South Carolina, said that during a stop an officer can frisk ANYONE AT WILL if he believes THEY HAVE A GUN, whether possessed LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY - including being possessed by those who have a CHP!

    So now, if you are stopped in Maryland, West Virginia, North Carolina, or South Carolina, and the officer finds out you have a CHP, he can frisk you without the need to have either reasonable, articulable suspicion or probable cause that you are armed AND dangerous.

    This was a horrendous decision.


    THE SOLUTION

    Senator Stuart's SB 1023 is the solution. SB 1023 prohibits the Virginia State Police from sharing a person's CHP status with any state that does not honor a Virginia CHP. That makes perfect sense. If a state considers our CHPs to be nothing more than toilet paper, why even bother telling that state that you have such a "worthless" permit?

    The good news is that HB 1023 cleared the Senate Courts of Justice today and is headed to the Senate Floor and then to the House.

    Our critical challenge is that we need to get as many legislators of both parties on board to be in a position to override a possible veto by the Governor.


    ACTION ITEM

    WE NEED **ALL** OF YOU TO SEND THE MESSAGE BELOW TO YOUR SENATOR TO 1) DRUM UP SUPPORT AND 2) TO EDUCATE THE SENATORS ON THE NEW FOURTH CIRCUIT RULING.

    This is one bill that many Senators, who normally are not good on guns, might well support!

    Click here to send the pre-written message to your Senator and please do this NOW:

    http://tinyurl.com/z8tayz3

    LET'S GET THIS DONE, VCDL!!
     

    Hakuna Matata

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    May 14, 2014
    196
    So how does the Virginia State police go about communicating this info to the Maryland agency performing the stop? How does the topic come up during the stop in the first place?
     

    swinokur

    In a State of Bliss
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 15, 2009
    55,496
    Westminster USA
    License info is exxchanged between dispatch centers either via phone or other method.. MD has no NLETS access to permit databases.
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    swinokur

    In a State of Bliss
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 15, 2009
    55,496
    Westminster USA
    PA does not participate in sharing CCW info via NLETS, (see map I posted above.) Meaning a street officer can't query the WV CCW database from the MDT in his cruiser. A dispatcher would have to call WV and vice versa to get info.
     

    lonzo

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    Dec 8, 2015
    314
    Moco
    I'm sure a lot of things will change when congress passes new gun laws to support the 2A..Maryland might blow up into a hissyfit..
     

    davsco

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    Oct 21, 2010
    8,627
    Loudoun, VA
    Two days ago the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, whose rulings affect Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, and South Carolina, said that during a stop an officer can frisk ANYONE AT WILL if he believes THEY HAVE A GUN, whether possessed LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY - including being possessed by those who have a CHP!

    wow i really don't understand the logic/thinking behind this ruling. a citizen legally doing something can just be stopped and frisked without ANY cause or suspicion. this is just wrong. i sent the email, pls do the same. so a good guy now has a higher chance of being frisked than a bad guy...
     

    AssMan

    Meh...
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 27, 2011
    16,515
    Somewhere on the James River, VA
    wow i really don't understand the logic/thinking behind this ruling. a citizen legally doing something can just be stopped and frisked without ANY cause or suspicion. this is just wrong. i sent the email, pls do the same. so a good guy now has a higher chance of being frisked than a bad guy...

    Yes, it's a bad situation...especially in states where there's no duty to inform.
     

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