ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

[TinCuda]

Federal judge blocks ATF pistol brace rule

A Federal judge in Texas has granted an injunction against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) preventing it from enforcing its pistol stabilizing-brace rule.

www.oann.com

 

[sleev-les]

The fact the injunction only affects members of..... is sad. I'm assuming that is something in legal jargon for a PI and a final ruling would benefit all citizens.

 

[TinCuda]

 

[Bob A]

Sadly, while the narrator might be a lawyer, he flunked math.

250,000 divided by 10 million works out to be 2.5%, not 0.25%. So he's off by two orders of magnitude. Or you could say the percentage he mentions is 100 times smaller than the actual figure.

Whatthehell, it's still a nice number. 97.5% of the assumed number of braced pistols have not been registered during the amnesty. Somehow I doubt that they've been destroyed, or turned into the ATF. I don't doubt that some may have been altered back into an un-braced condition.

Keep up the good work, folks, by doing nothing, just as though you're in Government work. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, after all.

 

[platoonDaddy]

The fact the injunction only affects members of..... is sad. I'm assuming that is something in legal jargon for a PI and a final ruling would benefit all citizens.

Sad everyone wasn’t covered, so off I went $25 to be part of the injunction

 

[teratos]

The fact the injunction only affects members of..... is sad. I'm assuming that is something in legal jargon for a PI and a final ruling would benefit all citizens.

The People are under no obligation to follow unconstitutional laws, and may proceed as though they don’t exist.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

The People are under no obligation to follow unconstitutional laws, and may proceed as though they don’t exist.

Furthermore, a rule is not a law and they do not have lawmaking authority

 

[Occam]

Furthermore, a rule is not a law and they do not have lawmaking authority

Alas, courts have to sort out where that boundary is. Congress DOES give regulatory agencies enormous power, effectively granting those bodies the same power as congress on matters in their turf. This has, of course, been widely abused, since those agencies absolutely can make rules that can make you a criminal. See the EPA, the FAA, the DOT, the FCC, the FTC, the FEC, etc.

We are currently waiting for a ruling from SCOTUS on exactly such a matter, and it could go a long way towards reining in regulatory empire building.

So while Dr T is correct that you’re not obliged to adhere to unconstitutional rules, that doesn’t stop you from being arrested and bankrupted while you make the case that the rule/law is unconstitutional while it’s still in effect.

 

[Combloc]

As I've said since the beginning of this edict, in the end, this is unconstitutional and I cannot be touched.

 

[sleev-les]

Sad everyone wasn’t covered, so off I went $25 to be part of the injunction

Oddly enough I got an email from them saying I am a member and covered. I need to pay more attention to my memberships lol. Rule is trash and everyone should be safe from ATF lunacy.

 

[Bob A]

The People are under no obligation to follow unconstitutional laws, and may proceed as though they don’t exist.

They will, however, have to deal with the likelihood that those executing unconstitutional laws will use the same against them.

All those ready to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, step forward. . . .

 

[teratos]

They will, however, have to deal with the likelihood that those executing unconstitutional laws will use the same against them.

All those ready to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, step forward. . . .

One need not broadcast their non-compliance. Quietly live your life.

 

[Bob A]

One need not broadcast their non-compliance. Quietly live your life.

Just as long as I'm left alone to do just that. Doesn't seem to be part of the MD GA playbook though. I've probably already gone too far, just by pushing back.

 

[Stoveman]

One need not broadcast their non-compliance. Quietly live your life.

This is the way. Before the fed judge ruling I would never broadcast that I have several of these murderous little bastards in my safe. I just wouldn't go shooting with ATF agents or snitches.

 

[Combloc]

Only one time did anyone question the legality of an MP5 I had at the range. I explained why it was legal (although his eyes glazed over while I was explaining) and set about shooting. About 200 rounds later, the guy, an older gentleman who was a quasi-fudd, walks over and says, "you know, that might be a good little thing for home defense". I grinned, told him he figured it out, and asked him if he'd like to try it out. I made a convert that day. Those little beauties never cease to bring folks together at the range.

 

[Racer Doug14]

Sad everyone wasn’t covered, so off I went $25 to be part of the injunction

Well glad you joined. Like I've told many friends and commented here. Gun grabbers have near bottomless pits of money and the entire democratic party on their side. If you like your 2A rights, you absolutely HAVE to support the groups fighting to keep those rights. Most Republicans are not going to fight for them. Lawyers ain't cheap.

 

[TinCuda]

Some relative numbers on compliance.

 

[TinCuda]

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God Bless Texas!
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[Bob A]

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God Bless Texas!
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Texas's interesting argument to be granted standing is that it incurs irreparable harm by having to pay its employees to engage in the process of enforcing an unconstitutional regulation. With a huge number of these things extant, going after them will be administratively expensive, and the state will not be compensated for its costs if and when the rule is found unconstitutional.

 

[TinCuda]