ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

[jmcgonig]

As it stands now (lawsuits notwithstanding) what is the compliance date?

May 31st

 

[Doctor_M]

May 31st

Thanks.

 

[RRomig]

Thanks.

May 31st is when the free stamp ends.
Compliance was 1/31
So 2/1 the brace was to come off until you filed your form 1
With proof of your filing you could keep your brace on. You do not have to wait for the approval. I know of a few that have already received their approvals.

 

[John from MD]

May 31st is when the free stamp ends.
Compliance was 1/31
So 2/1 the brace was to come off until you filed your form 1
With proof of your filing you could keep your brace on. You do not have to wait for the approval. I know of a few that have already received their approvals.

You have lots of ATF checking rifles at your range?

 

[RRomig]

You have lots of ATF checking rifles at your range?

Nope
Never
Question asked and answered is all. What’s great is that correct answer today can be totally wrong tomorrow. And millions don’t even know there’s a conversation

 

[jmcgonig]

Nope
Never
Question asked and answered is all. What’s great is that correct answer today can be totally wrong tomorrow. And millions don’t even know there’s a conversation

Thanks for the clarification, thought I had until May to deal with this. Ugh.

 

[Kharn]

PDF here.

I love this entire page, hitting back at the judge for missing how shitty the NFA is:

And scheduling order:

Scheduling conference 4/14/23 or earlier.

 

[jmcgonig]

I'm a little confused about this whole thing especially w/ the MD stuff sprinkled in, can someone clarify if this makes sense (at least legally).
- I can replace my 11" 300BLK upper on my AR-15 Pistol w/ brace with another upper that is longer than 16" (gun is also longer than 29" that way). Makes my pistol brace AR legal according to ATF, I don't think MD cares.
- Can I replace my pistol brace with a stock as long as the overall weapon is greater than 29"? Its a registered pistol w/ MD, right? Is turning it into a legal rifle ok?

 

[RRomig]

16” barrel will make it a rifle and you can keep the brace on or change it to a stock. ATF sees braces and stocks as one and the same. MD recognizes braces.

 

[RRomig]

I'm a little confused about this whole thing especially w/ the MD stuff sprinkled in, can someone clarify if this makes sense (at least legally).
- I can replace my 11" 300BLK upper on my AR-15 Pistol w/ brace with another upper that is longer than 16" (gun is also longer than 29" that way). Makes my pistol brace AR legal according to ATF, I don't think MD cares.
- Can I replace my pistol brace with a stock as long as the overall weapon is greater than 29"? Its a registered pistol w/ MD, right? Is turning it into a legal rifle ok?

Is this an AR pistol you bought complete?

 

[jmcgonig]

Is this an AR pistol you bought complete?

Engage built it for me. Post 2013 lower. So yes, bought complete but its not a off the shelf build. Not sure if it matters which is why I'm being specific

 

[RRomig]

Engage built it for me. Post 2013 lower. So yes, bought complete but its not a off the shelf build. Not sure if it matters which is why I'm being specific

Just curious how it left their A&D book. Nothing changes in my answer.

 

[jmcgonig]

Just curious how it left their A&D book. Nothing changes in my answer.

Cool, thx for confirming.

 

[Dogmeat]

Just curious how it left their A&D book. Nothing changes in my answer.

Totally random question about this whole situation that occurred to me when I was watching an old movie recently...

Does the ATF ruling affect something like this?

And as Part 2 of that question, does the answer change if it was a Cap & Ball revolver?

 

[RRomig]

Wouldn’t think so. They were always of a rifle stock design. That and the fact you have to use your thumb and index finger to get out only 6 shots then reload it’s just not killy enough. But that shyt is out of my realm.

 

[Dogmeat]

Thanks for the reply. That's kind of what I figured, but nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[Allen65]

Totally random question about this whole situation that occurred to me when I was watching an old movie recently...

Does the ATF ruling affect something like this?

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And as Part 2 of that question, does the answer change if it was a Cap & Ball revolver?

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Cap and ball makes it an antique firearm, period. Therefore not a firearm at all under Federal law, so length and stock rules do not apply.

As for the cartridge gun, it depends. If the core revolver is not an antique, it's a modern firearm and all NFA rules apply. If it was manufactured pre-1899 and came with the removable stock in its original design, it's legally an antique and not an SBR.

But regs get weird for modified antique cartridge guns. Even if it was an antique cartridge revolver to start with, if it has been modified from its original configuration into a short-barreled rifle in a way it wasn't as originally manufactured/sold/used prior to 1899, it's a NFA SBR. In other words, saw a barrel down today to 14" on an original 1885 Winchester rifle, it's legally an SBR now. And whoever made that mod to an original barrel would be a monster.

At least that's the way I read the regs. Well, the monster part isn't in the regs.

 

[alucard0822]

yes, the CCS bare stock peice is the one for the SB PDW with carbine length buffer tube. Maxim designed the PDW brace with SB, but also produced their own in shorter setups that use proprietary buffers. $150, but the braces/parts mostly fit each other. Before the rule change I would buy a maxim stock for a new build, slap the brace peice on till my F1 came back, then slap on the stock, pull the brace and use it on the next build.

https://www.maximdefense.com/product/ccs-buttstock-only/

CCS stock peice from Maxim Defense arrived today, free stamp arrived last week for my QC10 AR9. (discount code range15). Perfect fit with the SB PDW brace tube/mount. The 300BO started out as an SBR, and has a gen7 CQB stock.

 

[TinCuda]

Per the the Fifth Circuit’s Order, “IT IS ORDERED that the appeal is EXPEDITED to the next available Oral Argument Calendar. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Appellants’ Opposed Motion For a Preliminary Injunction Pending Appeal is GRANTED as to the Plaintiffs in this case.”

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[Muleskinner]

Per the the Fifth Circuit’s Order, “IT IS ORDERED that the appeal is EXPEDITED to the next available Oral Argument Calendar. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Appellants’ Opposed Motion For a Preliminary Injunction Pending Appeal is GRANTED as to the Plaintiffs in this case.”

FPC Secures Injunction Against ATF Pistol Brace Rule, Will Seek Clarification on Scope of Ruling

Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order granting an Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland, FPC and FPC Action Foundation’s federal lawsuit challenging the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF’s) recent rule...

www.firearmspolicy.org

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