ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

[Doctor_M]

Hasn't yet. Will probably take some time.

 

[Blacksmith101]

I did join, just wondering if the rule will go away.

Breaking News the pistol brace rule has been enjoined for FPC Members:

 

[Occam]

Breaking News the pistol brace rule has been enjoined for FPC Members:

Wasn’t that several weeks ago?

 

[Worsley]

Breaking News the pistol brace rule has been enjoined for FPC Members:

Good to know.

 

[TinCuda]

Breaking News the pistol brace rule has been enjoined for FPC Members:

Woot!

NFA might be in trouble! I like the sound of that!

 

[Blacksmith101]

Wasn’t that several weeks ago?

The date on the order is 10/2/2003.

 

[Occam]

The date on the order is 10/2/2003.

Right. This was the judge they kicked it back down to after sustaining the preliminary version at the 5C, if I understand all this correctly correctly. Still no national ramifications (other than for FPC members, which everyone should be) while the case grinds its way through to completion. The PI order does have some tasty 2A language in it, for sure. I especially liked the "it makes the gun more precise and thus safer in its role as a self defense pistol" part - that's gonna leave a mark, eventually, at the ATF on other fronts.

 

[Bob A]

Right. This was the judge they kicked it back down to after sustaining the preliminary version at the 5C, if I understand all this correctly correctly. Still no national ramifications (other than for FPC members, which everyone should be) while the case grinds its way through to completion. The PI order does have some tasty 2A language in it, for sure. I especially liked the "it makes the gun more precise and thus safer in its role as a self defense pistol" part - that's gonna leave a mark, eventually, at the ATF on other fronts.

I don't have access yet to the ruling, but the judge did include "stocks" as well as braces in his adecision on the second amendment affirmation of these appurtenances. That might be a nice wedge with which to break off at least a part of the National Firearms Act.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Link to the Order:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6710/attachments/original/1696319429/Mock_v_Garland_92_Order_on_Motion_for_Preliminary_Injunction.pdf?1696319429

 

[Blacksmith101]

I don't have access yet to the ruling, but the judge did include "stocks" as well as braces in his adecision on the second amendment affirmation of these appurtenances. That might be a nice wedge with which to break off at least a part of the National Firearms Act.

Here is the quote:
"Users directly advance these fundamental ends of self-defense when they modify “lawfully bearable pistols” with a “rearward attachment—whether as a brace or a stock.” "

My emphasis.

 

[Gordon]

What is FPC ?

 

[Grampa G]

FPC (Firearms Policy Coalition)

 

[John from MD]

FPC (Firearms Policy Coalition)

If you join, you are covered by the ruling that allows the injunction.

 

[River02]

If you join, you are covered by the ruling that allows the injunction.

and...your immediate family members are covered as well---kinda nice.

 

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[Blaster229]

Tom Grieve has the most concise explanation of the latest. 9 minute mark he explains the 2A possible involvement in the ruling.

 

[Gordon]

and...your immediate family members are covered as well---kinda nice.

Thanks

 

[Bob A]

It's long past time for the legislature to actually write decent legislation, instead of creating unelected administrative bureaucracies to do the dirty work, while they shelter behind obfuscation, hypocrisy and weasel-worded vague ill-written deliberately vague bills whose main purpose is to shield the individual legislators from bearing any responsibility for their actions.

 

[Allen65]

It's long past time for the legislature to actually write decent legislation, instead of creating unelected administrative bureaucracies to do the dirty work, while they shelter behind obfuscation, hypocrisy and weasel-worded vague ill-written deliberately vague bills whose main purpose is to shield the individual legislators from bearing any responsibility for their actions.

All that may be assuming a level of competence on their part that doesn't actually exist. Based on the ill-informed discussions I've heard at MGA committee hearings, I wouldn't trust most of those half-wits to properly transpose a recipe for making hot water.

 

[Mike OTDP]

All that may be assuming a level of competence on their part that doesn't actually exist. Based on the ill-informed discussions I've heard at MGA committee hearings, I wouldn't trust most of those half-wits to properly transpose a recipe for making hot water.

That’s putting it mildly. The Federal law is clearer. The big headaches are with how ATF applies it. And the elephant in the room - the deliberate slow-rolling of NFA paperwork.