Are dealers ripping us off on transfer fees?

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  • freddie

    Member
    Mar 20, 2013
    795
    I know. Capitalism sucks when its something you want to purchase.

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    :lol2:Point well taken
     

    Bang1964

    Member
    May 3, 2013
    168
    Ellicott City
    Just as a point of reference, I came in to the office at 0900 this morning to finish paperwork from Friday, only one day's worth.

    We were busy at the counter and all I had time to do was fax off new 77s on Friday evening.

    I worked from 0900 until 1530 today, my day off, with nothing but bathroom breaks just finishing transfer paperwork from the previous day, not a backlog.

    When we did a few a week it was no big deal, but when huge chunks of working days get eaten up the opportunity costs associated with a service will rise.

    6.5 hours I could have spent selling guns, but instead completed and shuffled paper.

    I have never and will never apologize for my rates, and if the costs and time associated with that aspect of my operation rises, the cost will be passed on to the consumer.

    By the way, ask your dealer how much the insurance rider for the many additional guns he is storing cost him.

    You have to love the ones who think they are giving dealers " something for nothing" with regard to transfer fees.

    Does this make any sense? What you are saying is since you are working overtime you have to charge extra. so can you tell me how many transfers you did today 10-20-30. @ $75.
     

    clandestine

    Active Member
    Oct 13, 2008
    36,315
    Does this make any sense? What you are saying is since you are working overtime you have to charge extra. so can you tell me how many transfers you did today 10-20-30. @ $75.

    Its called Supply and Demand. If you have TOO MUCH work you raise the price so its not overwhelming.

    Same goes for Gunsmithing.

    Transfers dont keep brick and mortar shops in business Sales and Service do. Transfers are a courtesy to their customers.

    But please go on telling business owners who deal in firearms where his margins and profit are.
     

    A1Uni

    Active Member
    Aug 28, 2012
    4,842
    Does this make any sense? What you are saying is since you are working overtime you have to charge extra. so can you tell me how many transfers you did today 10-20-30. @ $75.

    How many business owners pay themselves overtime.....:sad20:

    Number one I don't charge $75, number two, the hours needed to complete the task is not the only factor used in price setting, number three, please inform yourself on supply and demand and its effect on costs.

    The overall process costs dealers time, among MANY other factors, and time is money. Please name one other commodity in our economy that gets cheaper when demand soars.

    It makes perfect sense.
     

    clandestine

    Active Member
    Oct 13, 2008
    36,315
    How many business owners pay themselves overtime.....:sad20:

    Number one I don't charge $75, number two, the hours needed to complete the task is not the only factor used in price setting, number three, please inform yourself on supply and demand and its effect on costs.

    The overall process costs dealers time, among MANY other factors, and time is money. Please name one other commodity in our economy that gets cheaper when demand soars.

    It makes perfect sense.

    A1, they dont care to educate themselves.

    I say bravo to you for standing up to the mob. Not many dealers have the stones to tell it like it is. :party29:
     

    Boom Boom

    Hold my beer. Watch this.
    Jul 16, 2010
    16,834
    Carroll
    How many business owners pay themselves overtime.....:sad20:

    It's beyond comprehension for many. If you find a way, PLEASE let me know. Oh how I would love to pay myself overtime. Hell, I'd settle for even one day a year of vacation pay. ;)
     

    edhallor

    Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    749
    Aberdeen
    Gee,
    I forgot to factor in all my 16Hr. days I got paid for 8, all of the Christmas 4X12 I worked not counting all of the other Holydays, working outside in sub-0 temps, or 100+ days.
    Holy Lord 61/2 Hrs of paperwork sitting in an air conditioned office, My heart now bleeds for gready people who feel thier clientell should wipe thier A--es for them.

    Me I'm content with my C&R and my Lee Reloader doing my 9's and others at $3 a box. Shooting my P38, K98 and CZ's from Dawn to Dusk for about $20. Me I draw a crowd anytime I Fire my M1 or P38 while the guy on the end only serves to annoy people as he fires his $3,000 Hand Cannon, that is if he can find Ammo even at $2 a round.

    Mr. 6 1/2 Hrs. I hope you enjoy the food service industry when the dust clears.

    Eddie O
     

    Long1MD

    Active Member
    Feb 12, 2013
    1,112
    Too far gone
    Last November, I transferred two handguns through my local gun shop, where I have done business for more than 20 years. The fee was $45 for each transfer, plus the $10 MSP fee.

    Today, I called that same dealer to see if they had a particular pistol in stock, or if they could order it. They advised that they didn't have it and couldn't get it, but would transfer it if I bought it online. The fee, however, is now $75!

    I talked two more dealers, and got the same response: They can't get the pistol, but they will do the transfer for $75. One dealer reminded me that in addition to that fee, I will need to cough up $10 for MSP, and $35 for an Omega Lock.

    Apparently, the laws of supply and demand don't govern just guns, but dealer services as well. I hope these dealers are proud of themselves...and I hope they remember the ill will they've generated when all the current hysteria fades.

    I always make it a point to buy something, anything, anytime I am in a local gun shop, even if it's only a box of .22 ammo, in order to support small businesses. Never again. The internet is chock-full of merchants who will deliver ammo and gun-related products to my door, often at a lower cost.

    Can anyone recommend a dealer who will handle a handgun transfer without gouging? Thanks.

    In Southern Maryland I deal with an FFL that will take care of you for $45, which includes the $10 MSP fee.
     

    clandestine

    Active Member
    Oct 13, 2008
    36,315
    Gee,
    I forgot to factor in all my 16Hr. days I got paid for 8, all of the Christmas 4X12 I worked not counting all of the other Holydays, working outside in sub-0 temps, or 100+ days.
    Holy Lord 61/2 Hrs of paperwork sitting in an air conditioned office, My heart now bleeds for gready people who feel thier clientell should wipe thier A--es for them.

    Me I'm content with my C&R and my Lee Reloader doing my 9's and others at $3 a box. Shooting my P38, K98 and CZ's from Dawn to Dusk for about $20. Me I draw a crowd anytime I Fire my M1 or P38 while the guy on the end only serves to annoy people as he fires his $3,000 Hand Cannon, that is if he can find Ammo even at $2 a round.

    Mr. 6 1/2 Hrs. I hope you enjoy the food service industry when the dust clears.

    Eddie O

    Oh Lawrdy

     

    freddie

    Member
    Mar 20, 2013
    795
    How many gun shops have you walked into and have two or more employees behind the counter doing absolutely nothing - still getting paid - albeit maybe minimum wage - maybe they could do some clerical work. It is not a cost for service business.

    It is simple capitalism, as previously mentioned - charge what the market will bare.

    Panic buying in MD - MD'ers deserve to pay higher fees.

    Come Oct. 1st when panic buying is over, it will be interesting to see how Capitalism works for those FFLs now charging $100 transfer fees.
     

    jvegas

    Active Member
    Aug 15, 2009
    1,146
    Gee,
    I forgot to factor in all my 16Hr. days I got paid for 8, all of the Christmas 4X12 I worked not counting all of the other Holydays, working outside in sub-0 temps, or 100+ days.
    Holy Lord 61/2 Hrs of paperwork sitting in an air conditioned office, My heart now bleeds for gready people who feel thier clientell should wipe thier A--es for them.

    Me I'm content with my C&R and my Lee Reloader doing my 9's and others at $3 a box. Shooting my P38, K98 and CZ's from Dawn to Dusk for about $20. Me I draw a crowd anytime I Fire my M1 or P38 while the guy on the end only serves to annoy people as he fires his $3,000 Hand Cannon, that is if he can find Ammo even at $2 a round.

    Mr. 6 1/2 Hrs. I hope you enjoy the food service industry when the dust clears.

    Eddie O

    This is comical.
     

    jvegas

    Active Member
    Aug 15, 2009
    1,146
    How many gun shops have you walked into and have two or more employees behind the counter doing absolutely nothing - still getting paid - albeit maybe minimum wage - maybe they could do some clerical work. It is not a cost for service business.

    It is simple capitalism, as previously mentioned - charge what the market will bare.

    Panic buying in MD - MD'ers deserve to pay higher fees.

    Come Oct. 1st when panic buying is over, it will be interesting to see how Capitalism works for those FFLs now charging $100 transfer fees.

    The shop down the street from me has been $75-$100 for years. This is nothing new. Not to mention that after Oct 1, and the panic buying ends, dealers can lower their fees once again. Consumers are not going to ban together to boycott a dealer for $100 transfer fees. People need to stop pretending like shops will be shut down based on their current costs. It won't happen.
     

    edhallor

    Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    749
    Aberdeen
    Please stay with the OP's question Mr. "Master Gunsmith"

    Market will bear translates to, F the Consumer for everything you can get.

    Firearms are typically purchased with "Disposable Income" by the average Joe and lately most of us face uncertain futures and are a bit more frugal with our Income.

    Yes you can try to F me in the short run, but consumers have long memories. It's not even buying from you, just the fact that you tried is enough to Blacklist you.

    Knowing that a large number of purchases are being made by First Time gun owners "some Dealers" are taking this lack of knowledge to apply "market Will Bear" those of us that know better, excluding "Master Gunsmiths' insist on Show Me The Carfax "Dealers Invoice" on the Transfer. Fat chance, the last thing he will do is show you the 40% markup and the fact that you are paying Postage for five other guns.

    Transfers are a great way to restock without paying postage.

    Most Distributer sites on the net. list the "MSRP" basically the highest price a Dealer can advertise. It's like the MSRP on an Auto, which is always $5 to 10,000 more than the Local Dealer will sell the car for It's a gimmic that has worked for years, the Dealer drops $5,000 and the uninformed buyer thinks he is getting a deal, the informed buyer will walk out the door if the Salesman refuses to deal. They will immediately chase you to the door and go to ploy two "Let me talk to my manager" he will go in the back room and call you a Pr___ return and try to convince you that the manager has agreed to an additional $1,500. This only happens if you have a trade in. At this point only will discuss the Allowence for yor trade. This is refered to getting the money on the low end, they will show you your trade value from the "Book" well there are two Books the Red Book and the Black Book. You will be shown the A Hole book, where the value of your car is listed 2-$5,000 less than the actual trade value in the "Dealers Book" thus Got Ya anyway.

    Long story short my Brother In Law was in the Business and I would sometimes meet him at the Bar after work with other Salesman who would laugh about the way they Got A Holes, the more the increased laugh, like the Cu__ who came in and paid full MSRP and was sent to thier Loan Officer and signed off to 21% even though she had A1 Crediit, which the Salesman gets a kickback on for the "Steering" the higher the percentage the better the kickback.

    Long Story to make the point, Gun Dealers play the same games but in a different manner. Next time you do a transfer at that price insist that the Dealer will show you the Invoice on your Weapon, If not walk out the door. If enough Informed buyers do this the Shop Owner and "Master Gnsmiths" will be cooking your Hamburgers next year.

    As Henny Youngman would say (Take My Wife (Valley Gunshop) Please) when they were in Towson they were a A1 Gunshop, they changed locations and moved to Parkville. Stopped in 2 years back to pick up a used .22 semi to train the kids, purchased one for a price 50% too high but I had made a promiss to take the kids out. From the start it had a problem with the trigger not engaging. Took it back for a repair, not hearing anything for two Weeks I stopped in the Shop and asked about the repair. I was informed they were new owners and did not have a Gunsmith? I just told him give me the weapon back I'll fix it myself. (I should have just went to Wally World and purchased new. Second Stupid Action, saw a .40 in the case and asked for a trade value for my as-new Glock 19, reply $75.

    Havent been back since, I'm sure that owner is rightly slinging Hamburgers somewhere. Found Docs and a Pawn in Cecil County, Decent folks, fair prices, as well a Gunsmith with a Shop in the rear of his Home, an appointment only guy, but does good work. Lesson learned it pays to look around. Last paid $25 Transfer + $10 MSP. I know the Shop paid Wholesale and I was paying Retail, however since I have a C&R I get to sign in on the Dealers Page. Seeing the Wholesale price as oppoosed to what I was paying Retail I could see his Markup was still less than MSRP. The $25 just covered the Postage, his money was made on the markup, same as if he had the Gun is stock. I don't mind paying Retail, he runs a business not a Charity. Yes I know he had to go through a little extra work but he knows I am a repeat Coustomer who will continue to get my Business. He knows I have a C&R and reload but also knows I will buy a C&R from him at Retail for the convience of being able to inspect the Weapon before purchase, not something I can do buying online. For both of us it's a Win Win situation. Treating his Clientell fairly brings his money in on volume rather than key holing a single purchase.

    Eddie O
     

    Biggfoot44

    Active Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    25,813
    What does postage ( presumably shipping & handling ) have to do with a transfer fee ? The shippimg is paid by the buyer directly to the seller. The transfering dealer Recieves a firearm , they don't Ship anything.
     

    Norton

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    May 22, 2005
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    What does postage ( presumably shipping & handling ) have to do with a transfer fee ? The shippimg is paid by the buyer directly to the seller. The transfering dealer Recieves a firearm , they don't Ship anything.

    Further, what does MSRP and markup have to do with a transfer?
     

    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
    39,575
    Glen Burnie
    Please stay with the OP's question Mr. "Master Gunsmith"

    Market will bear translates to, F the Consumer for everything you can get.

    Firearms are typically purchased with "Disposable Income" by the average Joe and lately most of us face uncertain futures and are a bit more frugal with our Income.

    Yes you can try to F me in the short run, but consumers have long memories. It's not even buying from you, just the fact that you tried is enough to Blacklist you.

    Knowing that a large number of purchases are being made by First Time gun owners "some Dealers" are taking this lack of knowledge to apply "market Will Bear" those of us that know better, excluding "Master Gunsmiths' insist on Show Me The Carfax "Dealers Invoice" on the Transfer. Fat chance, the last thing he will do is show you the 40% markup and the fact that you are paying Postage for five other guns.

    Transfers are a great way to restock without paying postage.

    Most Distributer sites on the net. list the "MSRP" basically the highest price a Dealer can advertise. It's like the MSRP on an Auto, which is always $5 to 10,000 more than the Local Dealer will sell the car for It's a gimmic that has worked for years, the Dealer drops $5,000 and the uninformed buyer thinks he is getting a deal, the informed buyer will walk out the door if the Salesman refuses to deal. They will immediately chase you to the door and go to ploy two "Let me talk to my manager" he will go in the back room and call you a Pr___ return and try to convince you that the manager has agreed to an additional $1,500. This only happens if you have a trade in. At this point only will discuss the Allowence for yor trade. This is refered to getting the money on the low end, they will show you your trade value from the "Book" well there are two Books the Red Book and the Black Book. You will be shown the A Hole book, where the value of your car is listed 2-$5,000 less than the actual trade value in the "Dealers Book" thus Got Ya anyway.

    Long story short my Brother In Law was in the Business and I would sometimes meet him at the Bar after work with other Salesman who would laugh about the way they Got A Holes, the more the increased laugh, like the Cu__ who came in and paid full MSRP and was sent to thier Loan Officer and signed off to 21% even though she had A1 Crediit, which the Salesman gets a kickback on for the "Steering" the higher the percentage the better the kickback.

    Long Story to make the point, Gun Dealers play the same games but in a different manner. Next time you do a transfer at that price insist that the Dealer will show you the Invoice on your Weapon, If not walk out the door. If enough Informed buyers do this the Shop Owner and "Master Gnsmiths" will be cooking your Hamburgers next year.

    As Henny Youngman would say (Take My Wife (Valley Gunshop) Please) when they were in Towson they were a A1 Gunshop, they changed locations and moved to Parkville. Stopped in 2 years back to pick up a used .22 semi to train the kids, purchased one for a price 50% too high but I had made a promiss to take the kids out. From the start it had a problem with the trigger not engaging. Took it back for a repair, not hearing anything for two Weeks I stopped in the Shop and asked about the repair. I was informed they were new owners and did not have a Gunsmith? I just told him give me the weapon back I'll fix it myself. (I should have just went to Wally World and purchased new. Second Stupid Action, saw a .40 in the case and asked for a trade value for my as-new Glock 19, reply $75.

    Havent been back since, I'm sure that owner is rightly slinging Hamburgers somewhere. Found Docs and a Pawn in Cecil County, Decent folks, fair prices, as well a Gunsmith with a Shop in the rear of his Home, an appointment only guy, but does good work. Lesson learned it pays to look around. Last paid $25 Transfer + $10 MSP. I know the Shop paid Wholesale and I was paying Retail, however since I have a C&R I get to sign in on the Dealers Page. Seeing the Wholesale price as oppoosed to what I was paying Retail I could see his Markup was still less than MSRP. The $25 just covered the Postage, his money was made on the markup, same as if he had the Gun is stock. I don't mind paying Retail, he runs a business not a Charity. Yes I know he had to go through a little extra work but he knows I am a repeat Coustomer who will continue to get my Business. He knows I have a C&R and reload but also knows I will buy a C&R from him at Retail for the convience of being able to inspect the Weapon before purchase, not something I can do buying online. For both of us it's a Win Win situation. Treating his Clientell fairly brings his money in on volume rather than key holing a single purchase.

    Eddie O

    Quoted this just because I want to be part of the longest post in MDS history.
    :-)

    sent from somewhere in the world.
     

    bulletdrop

    Junior Member
    Jul 23, 2011
    34
    Southern Maryland
    Yeah. If your paying that much you are getting ripped off. $35 for civ...$25 for mil. All Pawn White Plains MD... And they have AR's in stock...DPMS...Colt...Daniel Defense. They Also have been getting Sigs 716's and DPMS 308's in
     

    Pinecone

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    MDS Supporter
    Feb 4, 2013
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    Just as a point of reference, I came in to the office at 0900 this morning to finish paperwork from Friday, only one day's worth.

    We were busy at the counter and all I had time to do was fax off new 77s on Friday evening.

    I worked from 0900 until 1530 today, my day off, with nothing but bathroom breaks just finishing transfer paperwork from the previous day, not a backlog.

    When we did a few a week it was no big deal, but when huge chunks of working days get eaten up the opportunity costs associated with a service will rise.

    6.5 hours I could have spent selling guns, but instead completed and shuffled paper.

    I have never and will never apologize for my rates, and if the costs and time associated with that aspect of my operation rises, the cost will be passed on to the consumer.

    By the way, ask your dealer how much the insurance rider for the many additional guns he is storing cost him.

    You have to love the ones who think they are giving dealers " something for nothing" with regard to transfer fees.

    Welcome to small business life. :) BT, DT, don't do it any longer.

    But also, for every 77R you did, you either got paid by selling the gun or by the transfer fee.

    How much time does it take you to process the paperwork for a transfer (sale or just transfer)?

    How much do you charge for the transfer service?

    And how about non-regulated transfers?
     

    Mark75H

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    Sep 25, 2011
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    Welcome to small business life. :) BT, DT, don't do it any longer.

    But also, for every 77R you did, you either got paid by selling the gun or by the transfer fee.

    How much time does it take you to process the paperwork for a transfer (sale or just transfer)?

    How much do you charge for the transfer service?

    And how about non-regulated transfers?

    You left out arranging for secure storage as if it costs nothing ...
     

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