AR Pistol

[iH8DemLibz]

So, if the lower record is marked as "other," then if I add an upper receiver that's shorter than 16 inches, would it be legal?

It all depends on the stock. Or no stock. Or what kind of stock/brace.

A barrel less than 16 inches with a rifle stock and you have an unregistered Short Barrel Rifle.

A barrel less than 16 inches with just a receiver extension is a legal pistol. Just don't have a rifle stock in the same case. "Constructive Intent".

Put a rubber cane tip on a receiver extension and you have a perfectly shootable pistol.

 

[outrider58]

So, if the lower record is marked as "other," then if I add an upper receiver that's shorter than 16 inches, would it be legal?

"Other" simply means, as atblis said, it is not transferred to you as a pistol, rifle, or AOW. You still need to abide by all federal and state laws.

You can't build it into an SBR(short barrel rifle) without the proper form 1 tax stamp($200) from the ATF.

A pistol brace makes it a pistol(no form 1 required).

A rifle stock and barrel shorter than 16" makes it an SBR(form 1 tax stamp require). An overall length for an SBR is require to be over 29" with butstock fully extended.

 

[BurkeM]

So, if the lower record is marked as "other.."

No receiver is marked "other," IMHO.

Many are marked "multi caliber" or similar, because almost all AR lowers can be used to build a rifle OR pistol in dozens of calibers. .17, .22 long, .223, .300 Blackout, 7.62 x 39, 7.62 in other sizes, .40 cal, 9 mm Makarov, 9 mm Luger, etc., etc.

According to BATFE, if you add a stock- it's a rifle. No stock- it's a pistol.

And yes, it's very, very complicated from there.

You have thousands and thousands of pages, books, and websites to consult before you build anything.

 

[atblis]

No receiver is marked "other," IMHO.

Many are marked "multi caliber" or similar, because almost all AR lowers can be used to build a rifle OR pistol in dozens of calibers. .17, .22 long, .223, .300 Blackout, 7.62 x 39, 7.62 in other sizes, .40 cal, 9 mm Makarov, 9 mm Luger, etc., etc.

According to BATFE, if you add a stock- it's a rifle. No stock- it's a pistol.

And yes, it's very, very complicated from there.

You have thousands and thousands of pages, books, and websites to consult before you build anything.

I think he was referring to the 4473, not what is engraved on the receiver itself. Adding a shoulder stock to a non barreled receiver a rifle does not make.

 

[outrider58]

No receiver is marked "other," IMHO.

Many are marked "multi caliber" or similar, because almost all AR lowers can be used to build a rifle OR pistol in dozens of calibers. .17, .22 long, .223, .300 Blackout, 7.62 x 39, 7.62 in other sizes, .40 cal, 9 mm Makarov, 9 mm Luger, etc., etc.

According to BATFE, if you add a stock- it's a rifle. No stock- it's a pistol.

And yes, it's very, very complicated from there.

You have thousands and thousands of pages, books, and websites to consult before you build anything.

They are transferred as "other" as their finished configuration is not yet determined.

Frames, receivers, AR lowers are considered "other firearms" (as opposed to long guns or handguns) and even if they can only be made into a rifle or shotgun they do not meet the definition of rifle or shotgun.Mar 20, 2012

 

[bandaidsoldier]

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

thanks!

 

[bandaidsoldier]

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

Thanks!

 

[bandaidsoldier]

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

thanks!

 

[bandaidsoldier]

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

thanks!

 

[bandaidsoldier]

So, if the lower record is marked as "other," then if I add an upper receiver that's shorter than 16 inches, would it be legal?

thanks!

 

[bandaidsoldier]

It all depends on the stock. Or no stock. Or what kind of stock/brace.

A barrel less than 16 inches with a rifle stock and you have an unregistered Short Barrel Rifle.

A barrel less than 16 inches with just a receiver extension is a legal pistol. Just don't have a rifle stock in the same case. "Constructive Intent".

Put a rubber cane tip on a receiver extension and you have a perfectly shootable pistol.

thanks!

 

[BurkeM]

They are transferred as "other" as their finished determination is not yet established.

Precisely.

 

[bandaidsoldier]

Precisely.

cool..thanks!

 

[Sloopjohnb]

Are you looking for a complete AR pistol, or just a lower that you want to build a pistol with?

Dedicated AR pistol lowers are good to go. You order it like you would any gun by having it shipped to your FFL. When your FFL receives it, you go to him, fill out the federal 4473, pass a NICS, and take it home that day.

If you are looking to buy a completed AR pistol and have it shipped to a Md FFL, that pistol must be on the Md. handgun roster. If it is not on the roster, it can't be shipped to Md. You can look up any Md legal handgun here, they are listed by manufacturer:

Maryland State Police | Firearm Registration

licensingportal.mdsp.maryland.gov

ETA: Braces are GTG in Md, for now.

Some companies won't ship to Md cuz they're skeert...

 

[Sloopjohnb]

Precisely.

 

[bandaidsoldier]

Thought on this Clone Brace on Amazom?

 

[outrider58]

Thought on this Clone Brace on Amazom?

I say try it. The actual mil spec SB braces will wiggle around a little bit, just so you know. What you really want to test is the length of pull lock-up. It has to be definite and secure. If that is questionable, send it back.

 

[bandaidsoldier]

I say try it. The actual mil spec SB braces will wiggle around a little bit, just so you know. What you really want to test is the length of pull lock-up. It has to be definite and secure. If that is questionable, send it back.

Thanks!

 

[smokey]

Thought on this Clone Brace on Amazom?

Don't buy clones. SB tactical put themselves at ATF jail & fines risk to bring these to market and challenge the NFA. The least you can do is pay $20 extra for an actual SB tactical brace to reward them for their efforts. The SBA3 is solid, but the SBA4 may be more comfortable for your needs.

If you don't want a brace in order to get a non-HBAR upper, you can always get an upper chambered in something like 300blk >16". With the brace, you can put whatever upper you want on it, lightweight 5.56 or otherwise.

 

[outrider58]

Don't buy clones. SB tactical put themselves at ATF jail & fines risk to bring these to market and challenge the NFA. The least you can do is pay $20 extra for an actual SB tactical brace to reward them for their efforts. The SBA3 is solid, but the SBA4 may be more comfortable for your needs.

If you don't want a brace in order to get a non-HBAR upper, you can always get an upper chambered in something like 300blk >16". With the brace, you can put whatever upper you want on it, lightweight 5.56 or otherwise.

You make a valid point smokey. I consider the approximately $600 I've given SB in the last 10-12 years as paying my dues. lol

The SBA3 clone is going for $36 on Chinazon, while the authentic brace is listed on most sites at $100. Most of us have bought clones of something or another. Once a company loses trademark protections, clones usually follow. I have intentionally bought cloned gun items because spending $600-$700 on a red dot sight for a parts build range toy seems ludicrous to me. I hate giving China my money, god knows we already give them too much of it these days. That, to me, is the biggest rub.

I have enough braces lying around that I will probably never need to buy another, but if I did need one more, I'd probably give the Chineez one a try. Who knows, it might be better than the SB version.

Flame on...